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Armchair-GM
Apr. 1 at 5:49 p.m.
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If Landys Not Back
Even in a comfortable situation and taking a discount to stay in it, I think Drouin can reasonably ask for $3.5M after what will be a 50+ point season. If they do re-sign Walker, I'm fine with them trading Manson to give them more wiggle room then finding a banger to play 3rd pair minutes at $1-2M.
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 1 at 4:57 p.m.
Thread:
2024 offseason - just need to find 1m in cap room
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MeetYourMakar</b></div><div>I would think we can get both of them for a little under the 4m Colton eats up. I think it would be a drop from Colton to Trenin, but is what it is.</div></div>
I wonder if they could get someone like Wenny on a "prove it" deal around $2M
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 1 at 4:57 p.m.
Thread:
2024 offseason - just need to find 1m in cap room
Since you're a reasonable poster I'll ask you: what are the comps for Mitts? I feel like some people are pulling numbers out of thin air (or using rumors from when he was with Buffalo as a basis for their arguments) for his deal but, IMO, there are some pretty clear comparables (D Strome and Zacha are pretty analogous to Mitts age, production ) and they don't make $6M. I guess he could point to JTC whom he is clearly better than but if they give him the 6th year, he's making more in total compensation. I can see him wanting a bit more with the cap going up but I don't think $5.25-5.75M is at all out of line with his comps but I'm curious if you have other comparable players in mind when you arrived at $6M.
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 1 at 12:50 p.m.
Thread:
making it work
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CooleyforCalder</b></div><div>What's the ask for Girard??</div></div>
I can't see the Avs looking to deal Girard so it would probably cost a lot
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 1 at 12:49 p.m.
Thread:
making it work
Probably best to assume at this point that Landy is coming back to give it a go; that way, if he doesn't come back, they have that money to play with. I don't think Mitts will cost that much; his comps are guys like Zacha and Strome, who make $4.875M and $5M on 4 and 5 year deals respectively. Looking at those deals, I see him getting $5.5Mx5-6 which is better total compensation than either of those guys.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 31 at 11:03 p.m.
Thread:
Stamkos Leonard Manson Skjei
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TJTwolf</b></div><div>Yep, you and I are very much in opposite camps on this one as far as which D to trade, I'd noted that one previously. I can however see both sides of the argument there. Thing is I'd prefer they traded one of the forwards over any more of the D even if Girard would be my choice there ahead of Manson. As much as I've liked Colton's play I think it was a mistake to sign him to that deal (they pretty much had to after trading for him and probably were hoping for less and I think it's come back to bite them in proverbial) probably even more than signing Manson to his. He would be my first choice to move if any. He's the most easily replaced of the 4-5 mil contracts imo.</div></div>
I understand you're position as well. I agree that moving Colton would probably be the best play. I see a few options to replace that 3C spot if they did decide to let Colton go: Wennberg, Roslovic, possibly Domi. All of those come with their own risks but if they can get Wenny on a "bounce-back" deal, he could tide them over until Ritchie is ready.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 31 at 7:35 p.m.
Thread:
Stamkos Leonard Manson Skjei
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TJTwolf</b></div><div>Value-wise that would probably be fair for Manson but I think the fact he's the only really physical and somewhat nasty D the Avs would have at that point means I see the Avs keeping him and would be more likely to trade Girard if they move a D. Possibly an unpopular take but I see him as surprisingly harder to replace even though I suspect Girard would be more coveted by teams and cost more in a trade.</div></div>
I'm one who disagrees with that. Manson is much older than Girard and has less term; I believe they can find another 3rd pair level guy that can play physically enough to replace that aspect of Manson's game even if he can't replace the offense and puck-moving. Plus, Manson has a lengthy injury history; what happens if Manson gets hurt 20 games into next season and they have no Girard? I am in the camp that believes it would be a mistake to trade Girard rather than Manson if they do go down the path of trading a D to create cap space.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 31 at 3:38 p.m.
Thread:
The Moose in the Room
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TJTwolf</b></div><div>I wouldn't go quite so far as to say they wouldn't win any more cups and they could easily retool rather than rebuild, but that said, there is no real reason to trade him.</div></div>
I suppose that went a little too far but, even if the Avs did get a player like Batherson, he and, say, Drouin don't add up to Mikko.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 31 at 2:04 p.m.
Thread:
The Moose in the Room
I reject the premise that they can't keep Rants and still have depth. If they trade Rants, they might as well just start a rebuild because they won't win any more Cups without him.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 31 at 2:00 p.m.
Thread:
Drake Batherson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoSeider53</b></div><div>I'm pretty sure for 8 x $5,500,000 Casey Mittelstadt would still be in Buffalo. I doubt you get him any cheaper than 8 x $6,500,000 or 8 x $7,000,000 he's going to get paid.</div></div>
It's entirely possible that Buffalo simply did not want to pay Mitts and keep him long-term; they'll have other young players to pay soon and he got squeezed out. I think we can forget whatever rumors we heard of what he wanted from them; that sort of talk is unreliable hearsay or speculation. Who are his comps that are currently making $6.5-7M? I'm not even sure Necas, who is a better player, will get more than $6.5M.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 31 at 1:56 p.m.
Thread:
Drake Batherson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AnonymousSensFan</b></div><div>A late 1st and Ross Colton does not get the Drake
Edit: The LD prospect is useless to the Sens (undersized and at the deepest position on the Sens) and the other is a bust</div></div>
Are you referring to Kovalenko as a "bust"? He literally just came over to the US and is regarded as a very good two-way prospect; played well in the KHL.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 31 at 1:53 p.m.
Thread:
Mighty Mighty Bosstones
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>Mitts isn't going to take less that 7AAV, and go look at your injury log this season and tell me it's a good idea to run a 21 man roster.</div></div>
If there's anything we should have learned it's that making statements like, "Player X isn't going to take deal Y" in such absolute terms is folly; players get deals that makes sense for them that don't always align with our idea of what a player "should" or do end up getting. I would ask: who are Mitts' comps and what are the possible scenarios for him at his age, production and role? One comp that really makes sense is Dylan Strome; he's a year older than Mitts and had 65 point production the year before his arb-eligible RFA deal was played. Mitts might make it to 60 points (he's at 54 right now) but, let's be real: just like Strome, he isn't a high-end 2C but is a guy you can count on to give you steady play, especially if you put him with good wings. That deal looks good so far as Strome is having another 60+ point season at a cost of $5M/season.
Also, what is the effect of the salary cap increase going to play? Are we going to see a concomitant rise in player salaries or is it just going to be the stars that can expect to see more money coming their way? What MacFarland has said is they did their due diligence before they acquired him so, apparently, they feel like they can get some sort of deal done that works for the Avs and, presumably, Mitts and his camp.
All-in-all, if Strome is a reasonable comp and Mitts isn't determined to extract every last penny he can, something along the lines of $5.5-6Mx5-6 years isn't at all farfetched.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 31 at 12:45 p.m.
Thread:
Mighty Mighty Bosstones
Would definitely give them the space they need but I'm not sure anyone wants five more years of a bottom-sixer. Parise has already said this is his last year.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 28 at 1:35 p.m.
Thread:
2025
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SevenLeg</b></div><div>Mittelstadt is finishing his prove-me deal. He proved he’s worth more than $5M.</div></div>
I get your point but: "Prove it" deals are typically one year after a big jump in production or performance; Mitts' current deal is a bridge and he signed it after coming off his ELC where he was very underwhelming in terms of his production. Not sure what's going to happen with his next deal (long vs short-term) or how much he'll make but he does have a good case for getting a good raise over his current salary, probably more in the $6M range.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 28 at 1:29 p.m.
Thread:
2025
Seems about right. How much of a raise will Cale get a few years further down the road? :grimace
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 28 at 9:01 a.m.
Thread:
next mans up
Nuke and Sammy are hurt?
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 27 at 7:32 p.m.
Thread:
USA - 4 Nations Face-off 2025
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SharkTank</b></div><div>Man you could ice 2 Team USA's.
Not sure about Cat and Kane.
Gotta think Larkin is on this team.</div></div>
Guentzel, too
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 27 at 10:07 a.m.
Thread:
Shake it up
In a long regular season, games like this WILL happen; it's just the nature of things
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 27 at 10:06 a.m.
Thread:
Shake it up
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ste_Catherine_Street</b></div><div>How do the HABS beat the AVS twice this season but get blown away by SENS and SABRES, picking up only 1 point against them thus far..
Love this team
Hate this team haha</div></div>
The regular season is always like that; can't read too much into results of random games
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 26 at 7:41 p.m.
Thread:
24-25 Avs Tracker
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ArakinSkywalker</b></div><div>has the potential to be a great signing. We'll see how he does in playoffs this year but anytime you can get a solid backup for under a mil is a good signing.</div></div>
With only 12 NHL games to his name, I still think it's way too early to tell if he's going to be a regular backup but at least he's getting the opportunity.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 26 at 7:39 p.m.
Thread:
Serious rebuild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>YoungPattyKane</b></div><div>I think there is some interesting decisions here. I think a lot of Drouin's success is a MacKinnon effect. I'd sign for the vet min not much more. Also heavy on the UFA d-men? I'm not fully familiar with the Avs prospects, but what is the plan with Behrens? start him in the minors or can he plug and play on the big boys?</div></div>
Yes, it is probably true playing a lot with MacKinnon (and Rants, Cale and Toews) has a lot to do with his resurgence. Other teams might look at him and say, "No chance he replicates that here because we don't have enough guys like that to shelter him with." But I don't think they can get away with signing him to a minimum deal given his actual production. It will be interesting to see if he chooses being in a comfortable situation where he gets to be a supporting player but plays for a lot less than his "market value." You would think, given his history, he might just prefer to remain in his current environment for his own sense of health even if it means leaving a lot of money on the table. But he might decide to bet on himself and go get some more money elsewhere. Definitely worth keeping an eye on.
Behrens is probably going to have to go through the A before he ever gets a shot at the NHL. I honestly thought he'd be a guy they dealt and they still could but he projects as a decent 3rd pair defensive D that can move the puck and the Avs need that so maybe they want to hang onto him so they can have a cheap option there.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 26 at 3:54 p.m.
Thread:
Avs Offseason No Landeskog
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Poogy</b></div><div>Way too much money for Drouin I doubt they bring him back next year</div></div>
He's got 46 points so far this season and only needs 8 more to post his highest totals ever. He's actually playing some defense and his stats are up all over the board; his relatives are quite high and he's shooting the puck well and creating plays. Is that sustainable, especially on another team? Maybe not but he seems to have gotten his career back on track. I would think the Avs would like to have him back but probably can't afford him unless he takes a deep discount or they know Landy isn't returning. $4M for a top-six winger is more than fair, though.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 26 at 1:08 p.m.
Thread:
A Pessimistic Attempt
Still a pretty good situation overall I would say. Better than the roster they had starting this season.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 26 at 12:58 p.m.
Thread:
An Optimistic Attempt
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MeetYourMakar</b></div><div>I wouldn't move Manson to keep Walker. Manson does more around the puck and plays with a presence. JJ likely wont be back so they need some size and Walker's offence can be found elsewhere, like Malinski.</div></div>
Malinski seems to have taken a step back since returning to the Eagles; his production is down which is disappointing. Ideally, he would have built off his success in the NHL. That doesn't mean he won't get another shot but the Avs are very impatient with guys like him. But I do agree that Manson does have a "presence" around the puck, even if he makes mistakes and takes penalties. That being said, I do think they can find someone that may not be able to do what he does offensively but can be a good defensive stalwart.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 26 at 12:55 p.m.
Thread:
An Optimistic Attempt
I do think it's very unlikely Ritchie gets brought in next season; it sounded like they want him to go back to junior for one more year. I'm not sure he has anything left to accomplish there considering how good he was this season but, since they can't send him to the A if he truly isn't ready to be in the NHL in a significant role, they may feel like they have no choice but to leave him in junior for another year. I do think they should sign him so he's under contract and he can join once next juniors season is over.
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