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Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 17, 2020 at 3:17 p.m.
Thread: Make Your Offers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ColonelX</b></div><div>Nobody will trade for Kinkaid, he's been through waivers unclaimed and hasn't picked up his game since being in the AHL ...



To be fair most people are talking (And will be happy) if we're getting an excellent prospect + 2nd or a 1st with a B prospect kind of value. <em>Just as an example</em>: Hague and a 2nd or a 1st and Robertson (Dallas) with a chunk of retained salary obviously. Just stated these guys out of my head based on<em> levels </em>not on probability of a trade accepted. What kind of value do you think your team would pay (I'm guessing you're PIT? Not that you'd need him but just as an example)?</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ColonelX</b></div><div>Nobody will trade for Kinkaid, he's been through waivers unclaimed and hasn't picked up his game since being in the AHL ...



To be fair most people are talking (And will be happy) if we're getting an excellent prospect + 2nd or a 1st with a B prospect kind of value. <em>Just as an example</em>: Hague and a 2nd or a 1st and Robertson (Dallas) with a chunk of retained salary obviously. Just stated these guys out of my head based on<em> levels </em>not on probability of a trade accepted. What kind of value do you think your team would pay (I'm guessing you're PIT? Not that you'd need him but just as an example)?</div></div>

It would honestly depend. Pgh isn't in the need for a right handed dman but if they were, considering right handers are more sought after, both teams are in the same Conference and what the opposing teams needs are, it's hard to determine honestly. I just think no team would trade what that other guy proposed. Why would you give up so much for middling defender at his age and salary? I'm sure a contending team isn't in need to replace their top 4 dmen and if he's being brought in as extra assurance for a playoff run, there are less taxing options available on trade deadline day. To answer your question, I would offer Shultz and possibly a mid tier player such as Blandisi or some other prospect type of player that has been up and down the organization for Petry and the pick is just because he has another year on that contract. MTL would be able to shed 5.5m in salary for free agency as Shultz is a pending UFA.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 16, 2020 at 10:31 p.m.
Thread: Crazy Sharks rebuild and new goalie
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Chigurrhh</b></div><div>Besides Jarry getting 4 million after one good season, who is overpaid?

McCann will be putting up ~50 points and ~25 goals. That number should grow as he plays on Crosby's wing for the second half of the season.

Simon should be around ~40 points this year playing on Crosby's wing. Conor Sheary ended up over 3 million for being a passenger on Sid's line.

Marcus Pettersson is better than Rasmus Andersson by pretty much every metric and that guy got ~4.5, long term.

"Grossly overpaid". Sounds like you don't have very good grasp on contract values and also completely ignored the point of the post.</div></div>

That is all speculative. You can't accurately predict what kind of numbers or success a player is going to have. You should know that as you have mentioned "metrics" multiple times in your arguments with others. There are too many factors to consider and any one of those could negate your assumptions. Saying what you said though, yes, they could very well produce that and that's when you should pay accordingly. You pay based off past accomplishments not what you hope they will do. For arguments sake, a right handed puck moving defenseman is more coveted than the left handed counterpart so that is a factor in Andersson's inflated contract.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 16, 2020 at 7:32 p.m.
Thread: Crazy Sharks rebuild and new goalie
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>claysbar</b></div><div>Yeah. McCann at 3.5 isn't too bad but he really is nothing more than Rust/Tanev but can play C. MP, really good 2nd pairing, can't pay him more than Dumo. Riko I can live with, Jarry unless a Cup run gets a 2-2.5 show me. Labanc may just be Labanc (rupt) gambling on himself off of last year. Then there is Simon....I'm sorry, screw "metrics" but unless this guy is working the turnstyles before the game and sweeping up after, I have no Idea why he is in the NHL.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>claysbar</b></div><div>Yeah. McCann at 3.5 isn't too bad but he really is nothing more than Rust/Tanev but can play C. MP, really good 2nd pairing, can't pay him more than Dumo. Riko I can live with, Jarry unless a Cup run gets a 2-2.5 show me. Labanc may just be Labanc (rupt) gambling on himself off of last year. Then there is Simon....I'm sorry, screw "metrics" but unless this guy is working the turnstyles before the game and sweeping up after, I have no Idea why he is in the NHL.</div></div>

I must disagree about Simon. He may not light the lamp much but he does all the small things well and isn't an anchor to his line mates no matter what line he's on and/or who he plays with. He plays a smart game and has speed. He is an above average skater and passer and is defensively sound for a forward. He battles hard and has enough versatility to move up and down the lineup. Sorry about the double quote. Not sure why it does that.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 16, 2020 at 7:32 p.m.
Thread: Crazy Sharks rebuild and new goalie
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>claysbar</b></div><div>Yeah. McCann at 3.5 isn't too bad but he really is nothing more than Rust/Tanev but can play C. MP, really good 2nd pairing, can't pay him more than Dumo. Riko I can live with, Jarry unless a Cup run gets a 2-2.5 show me. Labanc may just be Labanc (rupt) gambling on himself off of last year. Then there is Simon....I'm sorry, screw "metrics" but unless this guy is working the turnstyles before the game and sweeping up after, I have no Idea why he is in the NHL.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>claysbar</b></div><div>Yeah. McCann at 3.5 isn't too bad but he really is nothing more than Rust/Tanev but can play C. MP, really good 2nd pairing, can't pay him more than Dumo. Riko I can live with, Jarry unless a Cup run gets a 2-2.5 show me. Labanc may just be Labanc (rupt) gambling on himself off of last year. Then there is Simon....I'm sorry, screw "metrics" but unless this guy is working the turnstyles before the game and sweeping up after, I have no Idea why he is in the NHL.</div></div>

I must disagree about Simon. He may not light the lamp much but he does all the small things well and isn't an anchor to his line mates no matter what line he's on and/or who he plays with. He plays a smart game and has speed. He is an above average skater and passer and is defensively sound for a forward. He battles hard and has enough versatility to move up and down the lineup. I wouldn't pay him more than 1.5m but that is just my opinion.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 16, 2020 at 7:27 p.m.
Thread: Crazy Sharks rebuild and new goalie
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Chigurrhh</b></div><div>Besides Jarry getting 4 million after one good season, who is overpaid?

McCann will be putting up ~50 points and ~25 goals. That number should grow as he plays on Crosby's wing for the second half of the season.

Simon should be around ~40 points this year playing on Crosby's wing. Conor Sheary ended up over 3 million for being a passenger on Sid's line.

Marcus Pettersson is better than Rasmus Andersson by pretty much every metric and that guy got ~4.5, long term.

"Grossly overpaid". Sounds like you don't have very good grasp on contract values and also completely ignored the point of the post.</div></div>

Why does just about every OP get so upset and have to sling insults when their AGMs get questioned. It's not that serious dude, jeez. You do know we can both disagree with one another and still be cordial at the same time right?

My point is that you have given out contracts based on very little. When these players are under RFA status, the team has the control. In the cap era, you don't want to hand out money like that and handicap yourself for future deals.

For instance. If you were a bit more conservative with payments and could cut 250k-500k per player, you would have saved roughly 1.75m-3.5m. That is a nice chunk of money to have lying around in case of emergency, improving the team through free agency or if by chance a nice trade offer gets laid upon your doorstep.

Then you are crippling the team by having 2.875m still count towards the salary cap by acquiring Jones and then buying him out. So essentially you are paying Jarry 6.875m per year till the buyout is off the books. No matter what the point of your AGM is, it's undeniably terrible asset management and financially irresponsible. There's not even an argument in that respect.

I wasn't questioning the skill set of the free agents. I'm merely pointing out what I mentioned above about the economic side of running a team.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 16, 2020 at 3:18 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 15, 2020 at 8:54 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 15, 2020 at 8:43 p.m.
Thread: Healthy lines minus Jake
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>you should rename yourself OldTimeTroll.

You are clearly clueless. Everyone knows Trots has his number and that he didn't change systems after winning 2 cups. He rode the same system for 4 years.
Try actually watching games instead of trolling your whole life.</div></div>

Do you just resort to name calling when you get pinned up against a wall every time you get called out for making asinine remarks? When you grow up and learn how to have an adult conversation and figure a way to absorb what others say and respond in a mature manner, I will gladly entertain your comments. Until then, I will just preserve my brain cells and refrain from engaging in any dialog with you. It's people like you that are damaging the integrity of this great site and the very reason why I was hesitant to even join this community. Been a longtime reader and avid hockey fan probably well before you were even born. You attack everyone who disagrees with you. That's a real life problem. Learn some respect youngin. You get what you give.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 15, 2020 at 8:40 p.m.
Thread: Hated team
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>Well, first off, he’s a first ballot hall of famer. There’s absolutely no question of that. He was a dominant defensemen in the league for a decade, and has preposterous longevity. For a solid stretch in boston, when he and Seidenberg were on the ice, you just couldn’t score against the bruins.

As for your, “he’s only good because he’s tall,” comment: If it weren’t for McDavid’s speed, he wouldn’t be the dominant force he is. Well, he’s fast. Chara’s tall. He was dominant.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>Well, first off, he’s a first ballot hall of famer. There’s absolutely no question of that. He was a dominant defensemen in the league for a decade, and has preposterous longevity. For a solid stretch in boston, when he and Seidenberg were on the ice, you just couldn’t score against the bruins.

As for your, “he’s only good because he’s tall,” comment: If it weren’t for McDavid’s speed, he wouldn’t be the dominant force he is. Well, he’s fast. Chara’s tall. He was dominant.</div></div>

So glad you agree with me.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 15, 2020 at 7:36 p.m.
Thread: Healthy lines minus Jake
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>you are clueless. His inability to change has led to the past 2 payoff ousters. Trots figured him out. He was unable to adjust and it led to 2 years of break aways going the other way as the rest of the league caught on.

He changed the system this year to prevent it, as the defense plays back more.
But that's fine and dandy and all. But his has shown no ability to adjust in the middle of a series. If he did, they wouldn't have lost to the Islanders in 4.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>you are clueless. His inability to change has led to the past 2 payoff ousters. Trots figured him out. He was unable to adjust and it led to 2 years of break aways going the other way as the rest of the league caught on.

He changed the system this year to prevent it, as the defense plays back more.
But that's fine and dandy and all. But his has shown no ability to adjust in the middle of a series. If he did, they wouldn't have lost to the Islanders in 4.</div></div>

Do you actually watch and follow the team or do you simulate Franchise mode on NHL 20 and make all your comments based off those results?
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 15, 2020 at 7:33 p.m.
Thread: Go For It
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>Thank you and absolutely agree with your comment. Guys like pharrow are fans but doubt they ever played the game at a high level or deeply understand the game to not understand that puck possession power forwards who play defense are few and far between and critical. Putting up goals is only one part of the game and to the average fan, the only obvious part of the game in which they grade players on. If putting up points was the only thing important for wingers, Toronto would have won a cup the last couple of years.</div></div>

I view Saad as the poor man's Mark Stone. I'm from Pittsburgh and I can separate being a fan of my team with being a fan of the sport. I feel that's what a lot of the people who comment lack. It's just ignorance and it's completely infuriating when they refuse to open their minds up and step out of their box. He told me Marleau is slow because he's 40 yrs old LOL.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 15, 2020 at 3:12 p.m.
Thread: Go For It
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>You don't have a clue about what kind of player Saad is. He's a defensive power forward that excels in possession; these players ARE NOT common especially when they score 20+ goals and 45 to 55 points. Fans that have never played the game at a high level look at goals/points to judge a player; a totally wrong approach with any players outside of dynamic scoring wingers.

And you're right, Chicago is not retaining 50% or anything more then $1M....because they don't need to as plenty of teams would love to have Saad on their top 6...especially playoff teams.</div></div>

ChiHawk. You are absolutely correct on the player assessment. The other guy, wrong as usual on everything. Saad would be the perfect winger for Crosby alongside Guentzel. Saad is a 5v5 beast and plays a Crosby style of game. He may only be a 20 goal scorer but the "homers" in Pgh seem to forget that the beloved Dupuis and Kunitz were also only 20 goal scorers with a couple rare 20+ goal seasons. and that was from benefiting from playing w 87. I would bet to see Saad getting close to the 30 goal range playing with 87 n 59. He is for sure affordable if they can move Bjugstad and/or let Galchenyuk walk this summer and if they choose to also let Shultz test free agency. I would resign Shultz if he would take a lesser financial deal as he's missed so many games due to injury. Then again, with the emergence of Marino, Shultz might not be needed and they could find a bargain for the 3rd pairing RD spot.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 14, 2020 at 7:07 p.m.
Thread: Playoff roster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tkecanuck341</b></div><div>As far as what they're expecting the return to be, here's an article from the Athletic ($$$).

<a href="https://theathletic.com/1517143/2020/01/08/nhl-trade-big-board-28-players-who-could-move-before-the-deadline/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://theathletic.com/1517143/2020/01/08/nhl-trade-big-board-28-players-who-could-move-before-the-deadline/</a>

The expansion draft exempt part was from a season ticket holder "State of the Franchise" event with Luc Robitaille and Rob Blake this past summer. They said that the looming expansion draft was "taken into consideration" when acquiring assets, which is part of the reason they targeted Durzi instead of other pieces in the Muzzin trade.</div></div>

There ya go! A guy who can back up what he says. Love it man! I shall make the necessary changes.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 14, 2020 at 6:46 p.m.
Thread: Playoff roster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>The penguins don't want slow as hell Marleau.

They also don't want over priced Hall.
Hell what does it say when people are already looking at him in AZ and saying maybe this was a mistake we should move him.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>The penguins don't want slow as hell Marleau.

They also don't want over priced Hall.
Hell what does it say when people are already looking at him in AZ and saying maybe this was a mistake we should move him.</div></div>

You don't want Marleau and thank goodness you are just a passenger in my world so he stays. He's not slow either. Hall isn't overpriced. He puts up similar #s every year. 328pts in 381gms. Please better assess a player when making critiquing comments towards others. I just reviewed some of your recent AGMs (Chicago Tear Down) and some of your replies to others. YIKES!!! No offense but please don't comment on any of my posts again. I'm not really interested in reading the opinion and having a discussion with you.