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Forum: NHL SigningsJan. 9, 2021 at 10:02 p.m.
Thread: New York Islanders signed Mathew Barzal (3 Years / $7,000,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>look at the end of the day players get a short window of getting paid. They aren't out there risking CTE simply to "win" why do you think they all make tons of money. At the end of the day they want paid too, instead of someone else getting "their" money, be it owners, other guys etc... You got young guys getting paid a whole lot more than 7 mil per. Point being, if he views himself as equal and capable of putting up 100 points he's got to be wondering where his is too and what's stopping him from getting it. Team only goes so far. Crosby was always looked at as "team" friendly. But when he signed he was the highest paid player in the league. Make no doubt on that. Guys play for $, Let me know at the end of their career about how they make a move for a cup win when no one is going to pay them big money anyway.
It's not just a JT thing. You didn't see Hall take less to go content. These guys get 1 shot at a long term big money deal. 1 They have to make the most of it. If the system is what's holding him back, a saying from the fan base itself, what do you think the player is thinking. That's the point. Not saying he can't resign there. Just that it would have been wiser to do 2 years so you had more control going into that final year. As the final year sits now. If he's not even close to a 100 pt player in this system. He's got to start wondering if it's time to move on before he gets his next contract.</div></div>

I'm not trying to say "your opinion is wrong", however I don't think you are taking into account that it is in fact just your specific opinion. I am always wary of putting my worldview on others, and I fear you are doing that here. Trying to psycho- analyze things like personal motivations is extremely complicated. What motivates a specific individual varies greatly and there is alot of nuance to it.
Forum: NHL TradesFeb. 16, 2020 at 9:55 p.m.
Thread: (NJD/TBL) - Coleman for Foote and 2020 1st round pick
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Zwui21</b></div><div>This trade will make me sick for a couple of days. What the ****? One of our two top prospects + VAN's 1st(! Not even Tampas) for Coleman?
He's great and having him and Cirelli on the lineup will be a nightmare for other teams, but HOLY **** WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.

For this price to be justified, Coleman has to be a ****ing wizard for Tampa, in all aspects of the games.

It's true that his cap hit is great, and will be a great Killorn replacement for 2.7M less in cap hit next year, but still.

This is an incredibly high price to pay, I'm not happy at all.
Also, this trade hints that we are likely to see someone waive his NTC in Tampa this offseason.
And BriseBois saying "I know it's a hefty price but we can afford that" says be he's confident he's getting back some prospects/picks this summer by selling Killorn and</div></div>

This is a fair take, as a Tampa fan would you have preferred them to just stand pat if these are the prices? I just think Coleman brings so much to a team that desperately needs to find a way to the promised land. But I understand wanting to keep the prospect line flowing.
Forum: NHL TradesFeb. 16, 2020 at 9:49 p.m.
Thread: (NJD/TBL) - Coleman for Foote and 2020 1st round pick
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>I'm not sure you understand the situation. This is worth more than Taylor Hall. Blake is NOT Hall.</div></div>

I should explain myself better, from a value perspective it is an overpay plain and simple. But for a team like tampa value is a tricky thing to pin down, this is a team that needs to win with this core or it would be on the top 3 "teams that should have won" I think Coleman helps you do that. Also im just trying to point out to Tampa fans that they are gonna like what Coleman brings. With Hall I think there were some extenuating circumstances, First off he was a rental, second I think something happened in Jersey because they were in a mad rush to trade him. Anyway all that is why I said what I said. TLDR it's bad value but Coleman is a nice player who gives you more than the stat sheet indicates.
Forum: NHL TradesFeb. 16, 2020 at 9:09 p.m.
Thread: (NJD/TBL) - Coleman for Foote and 2020 1st round pick
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hedman77</b></div><div>i hate this</div></div>

I'm telling ya man, I understand you probably haven't watched alot of Coleman so it seems rough, He is way more than whats on the stat sheet (21 goals is good tho =P). The Lightning need to get over the hump and he is just so good in any situation, 5v5, pk, even on the power play. He is constantly making smart plays with the puck. He was the only Devils forward who has played above expectation on a very very poor Devils team. You can slot him up and down the lineup and you get him for a year and a half. From a value perspective I understand your trepidation, but I promise you are getting a good player. Way more than just a bottom 6 grinder,
Forum: NHL SigningsFeb. 14, 2020 at 8:38 p.m.
Thread: Boston Bruins signed Jérémy Lauzon (2 Years / $850,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>McGruff</b></div><div>Hey Pat, you have a good point. Can't say for sure but it might come down to the following:
* Entry-level politics and not wanting to burn a year of FA on Lauzon?
* Cliffy seems to have regressed yeah but he was good late last year, so when healthy, I think Butch might want to see that again?
* Lately, I think Moore has been a bit better and his recent minutes may be as a showcase for trade or as a trade piece?
Cheers</div></div>

I think you hit the nail on the head with all those points, it's definitely a combo of all that, plus the fact that Moore was injured earlier in the year and is a vet so they probably want to give him a fair shake. Problem is I don't think Moore's contract is movable without stapling a asset to it. Maybe your right and by playing him some team is gonna take a shot on him, but if that doesn't come to pass eventually you have to find a way to massage Lauzon into the lineup.
Forum: NHL TradesJan. 8, 2020 at 2:50 p.m.
Thread: (NSH/MTL) - Dauphin for McCarron
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HabsForEver</b></div><div>Michael McCarron - was never going to be anything more than a bottom 6 forward. When he was drafted, he was slated as a major reclamation project. He chose to go to the CHL, which was the biggest mistake of his life. Still capable of being a 13th forward.

Jacob De La Rose - Was a great, great player in Europe, his defensive skills transitioned, but his offensive game never translated, I don't know what happened here. He's still a good 4th line PKer.

Zach Fucale - We all know Goalies are a mystery, but he was wicked on that Halifax Moosehead team and is still showing signs of his skill. He was a bust though.

Artturi Lehkonen - Steal of a pick. Pure defensive player that is on pace this year for over 40 points. Gives it his all every shift.

Connor Crisp - The only guy we drafted who never had any hype, never showed any real signs of being an NHL player.

Sven Andrighetto - Very capable middle six winger. For a 3rd round pick, that's a great pick.

Martin Reway - Very unfortunate what happened to him. Was showing signs of being a very good NHL player before heart problems were found. Just **** luck here really.

Jeremy Gregoire - 6th round pick so was never expecting much, still showed some signs of skill in Junior, just couldn't develop him.

3/8 drafted players being full time NHLers is a great job considering just how weak this draft was. There's still time for more of those players to become NHL players. I wouldn't call this draft a loss.</div></div>

This was a nice break down, but surly you don't think this draft was weak? 2013 was loaded!

<a href="https://www.hockey-reference.com/draft/NHL_2013_entry.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://www.hockey-reference.com/draft/NHL_2013_entry.html</a>
Forum: NHL TradesJul. 13, 2019 at 4:05 a.m.
Thread: (BUF/CHI) - Nylander for Jokiharju
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DonkeyLips</b></div><div>Seems like Chicago fans need to calm down. It doesn't matter who their gm is. It doesn't matter what players they trade. It doesn't matter what players they sign. There is not a single thing any human being can do that will make any difference. This team is done for. You all just need to accept that. The Chicago Blackhawks "dynasty" is over before it even started. They have no hope of making the playoffs or even being close to competitive as long as they have Jonathan "Mr. Me" Toews as their captain. He is the worst leader, player, and human being to ever be associated with the NHL. Even worse than Billy tibbits, and that guy went to jail for raping a minor. Toews is the most selfish, arrogant, piss poor excuse for a hockey player I have ever seen. He skates slow to the bench, soft as ever, can't shoot the puck, couldn't make a pass to save his life. Does he know he is allowed to play a little defense every now and then? When's the last time he even won a face off? Worst of all, he can't even grow a proper beard. Jonathan Toews is pathetic and so are the Chicago Blackhawks.</div></div>

WHOA did Toews steal your girl?
Forum: NHL TradesJun. 22, 2019 at 11:52 p.m.
Thread: (NSH/NJD) - Subban for Santini, Davies, 2019 2nd round pick, 2020 2nd round pick
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mhockey91</b></div><div>That may be the least intelligent comment I’ve seen on here. No offence. People don’t like Subban not because of his play (he’s an elite defensemen). It’s cause he’s an eccentric, energizing, African Canadian hockey player who sticks out from the crowd. He’s extremly talented and can change the pace of a game. Sure his last season was bad, but everyone has down seasons. He’s got a big personality and he backs it up from his play on the ice. Sure he isn’t the best defensively but neither is burns, rielly, letang, karlsson, etc...</div></div>

Man I was with you till that weird insinuation of racism. I think this is a great trade for the devils, but I also do not like Subban and it has nothing to do with him being black. Being "eccentric" doesn't excuse selfishness and poor locker room presence. Although he was much better in Nashville (a city that embraced him btw) he still has a spotty track record. The unsubstantiated claims that people don't like him because of their unconscious or conscious bias is a tad crazy to me. That being said NJ paid pennies on the dollar here. And anyone who says Zaitsev is a better defender are either being dishonest or are just not paying any attention at all.