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Forum: Armchair-GM17 hours ago
Thread: 24 pens
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pens3lieve</b></div><div>legit bro, then every time i or one of the few semi rational poster try to legitimately find a trade match or solution and mention some prospect we don't know anything about the entire site melts down and says we're all dumb... i at least admit my lack of knowledge around prospects especially, and other teams depths at certain positions and what their big needs are... lol :tearsofjoy i just try to be creative in a non-insane way...</div></div>

I try to share insight with our roster when someone makes an honest attempt with their trade proposals. That's how we all learn about another team's roster makeup and depth chart. Other times when zero effort is put into it I end up coming across as a smug salty old man yelling "get off my lawn" lol. I appreciate when someone makes an actual attempt to view a trade from both sides that doesn't include stuff like "helps Chicago get to the cap floor" or "veteran to play with Bedard". There's a point where fun turns into insulting another team's fanbase and aside from St. Louis and Vancouver, I wouldn't want to do that to anyone.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 26 at 5:43 p.m.
Thread: Can PIT fans agree on these things moving forward
Dubas signed a 7 year deal for a reason. We all know that its over for the Pens and what a great two decades its been. But the organization clearly set out a plan with the core and Dubas coming in as GM. Two years trying to strike gold with Sid and the core and 5 years to build again, hence the 7 years. Its year one of that. Expect a quiet offseason with short term deals to some Vets and younger players looking for a shot. They will be keeping all draft picks moving FWD. After next season the Pens will likely be making similar moves that Montreal has been making.

Is this the best thing for the organization? Maybe, the best thing might be trading their best assets now for a massive return and advancing the rebuild several years but none of us realistically expect that.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 12 at 2:21 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 9 at 3:15 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 28 at 1:04 a.m.
Thread: Losing eight out of eleven leads us to this
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Byrr</b></div><div>Which would be significantly less than what is shown here. Calling Tippett a 'top prospect' at that point is a stretch. It was his 3rd NHL season and he had never had much success. He wasn't even eligible for Calder consideration anymore. To turn this into the Giroux trade, you'd be dropping the 2nd to a 3rd and taking Lekkerimäki, who might be the biggest piece of the trade on the Vancouver side, out entirely and delaying the 1st round pick. That's the gap and it's a very significant leap.</div></div>

Because Giroux had significantly less value for a multitude of reasons. Giroux was 34 at the time of the trade, Jake would be 29. Giroux had a full NMC so the flyers had very little leverage. Jake has a 12 team NTC so there would absolutely be bidding war for him. Jake already has more goals and more points in 12 less games than Giroux has at the time of trade. Tippet absolutely was a top prospect. He was only 21 or just turned 22 at the time of the trade and was already getting significant nhl time. It was also only his 2nd nhl season. He played 7 games, which doesn’t count as an nhl season. Then he played 40 something games the following season which was considered his rookie season. So to sum it up, the reason there’s a significant leap in this trade to the Giroux trade is because you’re getting a better player with much more trade value.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 27 at 5:51 p.m.
Thread: Losing eight out of eleven leads us to this
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Byrr</b></div><div>By all means list them here. What you might notice is that the best players available in any given season all fetch around the same price across seasons, it doesn't matter how good they are compared to each other just that they are the best available. The only ones who fetch this kind of price are ones who have either term or extensions in place upon being traded. The idea that Guentzel is the only 'major winger' available is non-sense too. Tarasenko and Toffoli aren't all that far behind him in scoring while playing a lot less ice time. Pacioretty has had a good start in Washington too after not playing for 2 seasons. He should be expected to keep on improving.</div></div>

That is not true at all lol. Giroux was a pending UFA and got a 1st, a 3rd, and top prospect. And that was with Giroux having a NMC and picking where he went.