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Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 12 at 2:35 p.m.
Thread: do the oilers say yes
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mr_Gardoki</b></div><div>Oh yeah? How about him sneaking Campbell in there? You think it's EDM that says no? That's rich.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mr_Gardoki</b></div><div>This board is going downhill fast</div></div>
So true dude

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NucksnOilers</b></div><div>I'm not saying the Pens say yes either, they can get a much stronger return elsewhere. Campbell costs one first to dump, his buyout never surpasses 2.75 million and it stays under 1.75 million for 3 of the 5 years. That doesn't cost two firsts.

So then it would be Mcleod + broberg + 25'1st + 25'3rd for JG and AN. I don't want JG for his price, he's a super valuable asset it's just that Edmonton doesn't need another top 6 piece. He would only be a rental as well. Mcleod is also essentially an untouchable for this team so yeah</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Timmah007</b></div><div>Who cares if Campbell is included. Only thing coming back of note is a top six forward for a few months. That doesn’t justify multiple firsts and two quality young players.</div></div>


My thought was guentzel was worth broberg+1st+3rd
Clearing Campbell’s contract=1st
Ned=mccleod
Tbh tho I don’t see Pit bringing in another big goalie contract… unless we’re completely rebuilding and saying Blomqvist is the next guy and in that case we’d move Jarry out too…
So while I think the package is close to fair in value objectively, the fit isn’t the best overall…
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 27 at 4:32 p.m.
Thread: Losing eight out of eleven leads us to this
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mv21227</b></div><div>You aren’t getting Lekkerimaki</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Reason</b></div><div>I don't believe Lekkerimäki is completely off the table, but if he is traded it will be for a younger player with term or RFA status, not UFA.</div></div>

If VAN (or any team honestly) acquires Guentzel, they’ll probably try to resign him

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Byrr</b></div><div>Deadline rentals don't get the kind of return you have here for Guentzel, even the best players available.</div></div>

Go back and check last deadlines…as I’ve done… there are several lesser quality players that got most of that… plus Guentzel is the only major winger available
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 27 at 2:57 p.m.
Thread: Too many giveaways
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pensgm</b></div><div>I dont love retaining that much on EK or adding a 2. Sure they are different players and we need pesce more but factoring that retention and if he gets extened at 7mil plus its sort of like we are paying him 11 mil</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SomeonesOffended</b></div><div>Leafs pass Reilly is your problem next year lol</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac555</b></div><div>Is EK really the issue with the Pens? Hope you have an idea of more defenseman coming in with the cap space, because wow that defense is bad.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hawksguy81</b></div><div>Can't imagine the Hawks would have any interest in 5 more seasons of Graves. Or that the Hawks aren't on his no trade list.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>nutrition1223</b></div><div>I find it fun that Ek is still putting up good numbers and has some value, yet everyone is selling him like he isn't good. It's the Penguins team, age, and system which is failing the players.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Snowhawk18</b></div><div>Every team not named Pittsburgh declines.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>We have Burns and DeAngelo already. Why would we want a 3rd OFD? You keep Karlsson.</div></div>

<em>It appears everything has already been said.</em>
I agree with everything and this all nonsense in this post makes less than zero sense...
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 27 at 2:54 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 27 at 2:48 p.m.
Thread: Going for it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SomeonesOffended</b></div><div>Love all the trades makes this team a cup favourite instantly</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dereliicte</b></div><div>Really nice work here. The deals make sense for Van and I think your valuations are all reasonable. I suspect PIT fans will want more for Jake.. but this is not far off IMHO.</div></div>

personally, i don't think PIT would be interested in Mikheyev only bc of the contract... i think dubas was the one that brought him to TOR, but the contract doesn't make sense for PIT bc if we're moving Guentzel we are doing a major retool minimum. as far as (Brzustewicz, Hunter [Reserve List])... i would need to know more but the other pieces are a starting point for a JG package...
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 27 at 2:44 p.m.
Thread: 2 Key Trades I Would Make
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pensgm</b></div><div>I would accept, I think the trade would be closer to what you have above than people think</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Vancity2196</b></div><div>If I was Dubas, I would accept the draft picks and Podkolzin, but not Kuzmenko.
Kuzmenko's value is low and his playing for another team is pointless.</div></div>

Definitely close on trade value but i'd prefer all prospects/picks/under-24 players on the cusp instead of Kuzmenko and i don't see VAN wanting to move Kuzmenko. i'd rather retain 50% on Jake and with double retention Jake would be at $1.5M.
that being said, if i'm dubas and pittsburgh, then i would take Kuz and let him play with Sid/Geno and PP1 then flip him in the offseason or next year at the TDL... so i'm ok with either... i just don't see keeping jake at this point... the pens have lost like 7 of 10 and barring extreme improvements in several areas i don't see this team making the playoffs unfortunately...
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 18 at 2:10 p.m.
Thread: Guentzel NSH Idea
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>nativewulf</b></div><div>NSH at the very least will not be big buyers this year at the TDL. More than likely we probably sell or make a couple of hockey trades of under-performing players looking for a change of scenery.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pensgm</b></div><div>I would do that nsh trade, would they Im not so sure. I do think him going there makes some sense</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gmgb</b></div><div>Even if NSH were in a position where they should be going all in this year, that's an overpay.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pensfan303</b></div><div>mayby after the 70th guentzel trade ACGM you make, you will realize we won't be moving Jake</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>herzausstein</b></div><div>If Nashville moves their #2C novak, it is becuase theyre packing it in for the year. Not to get an expensive wing upgrade. Their center depth is garbage with Novak and even worse without him. They are not a team that should even be considering making a move for an expensive winger. They need to be considering a young longterm center upgrade as clearly glass is a failure</div></div>

This doesn't make sense for NSH.
<a href="/users/gpmack95" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@gpmack95</a> bro why take a logical trade from another post and ruin it lol? like NSH can't afford to move Novak in this deal... if they're going for it, they aren't moving significant pieces from their current roster... plus this trade is skewed heavily to PIT... and if PIT is getting a 4th piece back besides Tomasino/1st/2nd then PIT probably is including another roster player to help NSH's playoff push...
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 18 at 1:56 p.m.
Thread: Tweaks for the Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gpmack95</b></div><div>Penguins don’t need Pionk (Letang AND Karlsson) and Pettersson isn’t avaliable unless its a crazy good offer.

Guentzel is avaliable though</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CanMerc</b></div><div>Jets Decline
This isn’t what WPG needs</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Victor24</b></div><div>Trading two elite pieces for depth pieces is a bad idea.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pens1991</b></div><div>you're another 1st round pick and at least 2 good prospects off lmao.

Awful trade, Dubas laughs and hangs up.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Neither player does anything for Winnipeg and rentals don't return that much.</div></div>

don't see this making sense for either team a lot... if WPG is trying to go for it, they would not subtract significant pieces off their current roster... and PIT is not thinking about moving Pettersson... guentzel is the easy one IF and ONLY IF the pens fall out of it big time... Pettersson may be moved in the offseason or at next year's TDL if the team is deciding to do a massive retool bordering on rebuilding... the only thing that could possibly happen to change the Pens minds and path forward from what I just said would be a pair of season-ending injuries to Sidney Crosby and Kris Letang... those 2 players are the only 2 irreplaceable players on the pens roster right now and subtracting them would alter the course for this year dramatically....