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Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 2:26 p.m.
Thread: Leafs Preds and Kings blockbuster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HollywoodHudon</b></div><div>Nylander is a luxury at this point in the Leaf's attempts to win a cup. He will be looking for $10m per year or more on his next deal - Leafs would be better off having Josi, a perennial all-star D man at $9m than a luxury $10m+ winger. Signing older UFAs like Kane/Tarasenko/Bertuzzi for $6m or less short term to replace Nylander is much more palatable for the Leaf's cap, and having that veteran leadership can certainly be a good mix with the young players like Knies/Minten/Voit and/or Byfield/Vilardi if acquired.</div></div>

so then what the hell makes you think nashville will trade josi for one year of nylander and a late first? i guess those picks you threw in the pot on nashvilles end were just to troll?

you are living in a fantasy land my friend. you have 0 idea whats going on around you.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 17 at 2:42 a.m.
Thread: Rebuild over
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bannedforlife</b></div><div>You won't say what you think you're picks are worth because you know that you are homer pricing them. Either that or you just don't know what you're talking about. You should log off</div></div>

i'm not going to keep doing this same song and dance with a known detroit homer.

like mokumboi said, there isn't much of a quality difference between 27OA and 17OA, and the same applies to the 10OA pick and the 16OA pick.
the quality drop off is NOT worth what you've valued in your returns. if nashville wanted to move from 16 to 10, it would cost the pick flip and maybe a 2nd in the 40 range.
what youve essentially done here is completely overvalue your picks.

i said the difference between 10 and 16 is oliver moore and david reinbacher, that quality difference it NOT worth nashville paying you the next two pick we have just to make that 6 spot jump. the players in the 14-16 range aren't much different from those in the 9-11 range.

what of that is such a hard concept to grasp?

your head cannon and fantasies for this draft are far beyond what you've listed here, and st. louis and nashville are much better off keeping their picks.

-- ill repost this as many times as you need to read it.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 17 at 2:24 a.m.
Thread: Rebuild over
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bannedforlife</b></div><div>Both of you have failed to prove that it is bad. You're just irrationally upset at the thought of giving up your firsts unless it's a total fleece job. I bet if u asked you what you thought your #16, #20 and #48 were worth you'd say a top 3 pick.</div></div>

i'm not going to keep doing this same song and dance with a known detroit homer.

like mokumboi said, there isn't much of a quality difference between 27OA and 17OA, and the same applies to the 10OA pick and the 16OA pick.
the quality drop off is NOT worth what you've valued in your returns. if nashville wanted to move from 16 to 10, it would cost the pick flip and maybe a 2nd in the 40 range.
what youve essentially done here is completely overvalue your picks.

i said the difference between 10 and 16 is oliver moore and david reinbacher, that quality difference it NOT worth nashville paying you the next two pick we have just to make that 6 spot jump. the players in the 14-16 range aren't much different from those in the 9-11 range.

what of that is such a hard concept to grasp?

your head cannon and fantasies for this draft are far beyond what you've listed here, and st. louis and nashville are much better off keeping their picks.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 17 at 2:00 a.m.
Thread: Rebuild over
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bannedforlife</b></div><div>You won't answer because you know my proposal is fair value. If you don't want to pony up the assets youre entitled to your opinion, but don't come in here and s*** on my acgm just because you don't like it.

When an unbiased fan weighs in and tells me I'm crazy, then I'll reconsider</div></div>

If you want somebody to acquire the 10OA pick, you're looking for something of equal value in return. Like a genuine top 6 player or top 4 D, or a prospect of equal value.

Nashville giving you two extra picks in this class just to move up 6 spots isn't bias, nor fair, it's a fleece for Detroit. And of course, as a Detroit fan, you'd propose the trade.
You calling everyone else bias is merely a projection.

I agree with EKL, you should log off.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 17 at 1:48 a.m.
Thread: Rebuild over
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bannedforlife</b></div><div>Fine. You tell me what you think the #10 pick is worth and then I'll show you a horrible trade</div></div>

it's not about what the 10OA is worth.. you've somehow missed the point entirely.

it's about need for the picks. both nashville and st. louis aren't moving as many assets (in an already stacked class) as youve proposed just to move up a few spots? there's no need for either team to overpay for this.

even then, if detroit desperately wanted reinbacher, why would they move the 10OA just to not get him? you've essentially contradicted your entire point. you had nashville move up to 10OA... just to not take reinbacher? do you not think if nashville or st. louis had that pick they wouldnt take him? i don't get your point here.

TLDR; these trades suck. try again
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 17 at 1:26 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 13 at 12:04 a.m.
Thread: PLD trade based on Fiala trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Oh man, and you were doing so good lately. I've backedmy position with actual facts and statistics without twisting them as others are trying to do.

We're not talking about points in the rarity department, we were taking about position.

Every single person who had ever watched hockey knows that 1C is the hardest position in hockey to filll, because real 1Cs are the rarest players to find. Winger by comparison is the easiest position to fill. So when you have two that historically produce roughly the same the center is always more valuable.

I'm worried about you my friend. You really seen to have taken this PLD stuff to seriously and are losing objectively when you were doing so well lately. Sorry if I touched a nerve. I'll leave you to debate and dream with the other guys.</div></div>

I'd argue that good, top pairing dmen is the hardest position to properly fill.
I think you're the one dreaming LMAO
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 12 at 11:46 p.m.
Thread: PLD trade based on Fiala trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>No you can't build around and position. Columbus is the most recent example of trying to build around wingers and it didn't work.</div></div>

What...? They are amidst a rebuild. When did they ever "build around wingers"?

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>I and no other Jet can that I have seen had asked for a king's ransom in exchange for Dubois. That is just you exaggerating so that again you have a point to debate.</div></div>

My brother in christ you are in every Winnipeg thread ripping on anything that doesn't go your way or isnt a massive overpayment. Open your profile and scroll down your replies.


<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>It's not likely going to be a deal where Montreal gets all the clauses in their favour and only gives up the prospects and picks they no longer want and Winnipeg just goes ahead and takes it. They'd just move on to a more suitable offer. That's what I meant about educating yourself on how trades work.</div></div>

I was simply making an argument solely based on value. The trade proposed above is not very far off from what Dubois would get you.
In reality, AGAIN.... you're looking at

1st
B+ tier prospect
Young roster player

OR

1st
two 2nds (see chychrun trade)

Even then, the Habs can just wait till PLD walks to FA in a few years... which we all know he will lmao.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 12 at 11:36 p.m.
Thread: PLD trade based on Fiala trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>You know how to tell who knows what they are talking about and who is exaggerating? The one exaggerating is the one claiming a 60-70 point top 6 center is the rarest thing in hockey. That means they are literally saying that PLD is better than a generational talent (which is truly the rarest thing in hockey) like McDavid, Crosby, Orr and Gretzky. PLD isn't even a franchise talent the likes of Draisaitl, Thompson, Mathews, Headman, Makar, Price, Vasilevsky and Hellebuyck. He currently ranks as a top line or top 6 center, these are the guys who put up 60-80 points a season, guys on this list include Suzuki, Aho, Barzal, PLD, Couture and Cozens. These are the guys who ideally play 2nd line on contending teams but can play top line on any teams if needed.</div></div>

He is a widely known Winnipeg homer.

A 60-70 point center to him, is going to get Winnipeg 3 firsts and 2 A tier prospects in a trade.
Windjammer doesn't live in the realm of realism. It's all "my team my team my team"
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 12 at 11:26 p.m.
Thread: PLD trade based on Fiala trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>I like how you use Dubois' career numbers, but only the last two for Meier on a feeble attempt to try and tilt the numbers so that you have a case for debate.

The fact is that Dubois and Meier produce at a trade within 1 point of each other over their careers and Dubois had done that while being younger and playing the more demanding position of center as opposed to a position with less responsibilities in winger. Both are power forwards, so in don't know why you made that silly point.

You definitely bring your hockey "knowledge" into doubt if you don't follow hockey enough to know that centers are always more valuable than wingers when they produce about the same. That's very basic hockey knowledge that smile that follows hockey should know.

So, you should probably go back and educate yourself on position and player values in trades and work on a rebuttal point where to don't have to resort to being disingenuous and trying to use cherry picked stats to try and give yourself a position to defend.

You just come off as being ignorant of basic hockey knowledge when you have to resort do cherry picking.

There simply is no rational or logical reasoning to support your position. PLD is younger, produces the same and does so while playing the more difficult position. Hence carries equal or more value. You can build a team around centers, you can't build a team around wingers.</div></div>

You can build a team around any position. This is hockey. LHD, RHD, Goaltending, Wingers, Centers... it's not just "he's a center, so his value is more!"
I picked Meier's past two seasons specifically because they are better than any point total Dubois has scored in his career. If anything, it shows Meier's worth more.
They both scored around 60 point paces, until the past two seasons where Meier flourished, scoring 35 and a ppg+ season total in back to back years on a rebuilder.

You are the ONLY one believing in this magical, fantasy mock trade where Dubois will score you a kings ransom if traded.
Also, thanks for clarifying I'm the one whos ignorant, when you ignored almost every point I made, lmao. Really shows the homer in you!
Are we gonna ignore the Chychrun return..?

I know Jets fans are having a super hard time with knowing Dubois secretly doesn't want to play for their team, and might one day leave, but this is the reality of it.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 12 at 10:51 p.m.
Thread: PLD trade based on Fiala trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>You have demonstrated many, many times that you have no realistic grasp on player values.

Like Meier compared to PLD. The both score within 1 point of each other historically while PLD is two years younger.

Then you throw in that while Meier is a nice player, he's only a winger, while PLD is a young 1C the rarest thing in hockey. Meier just isn't in the same league.

Anyways, just take some time to educate yourself a little bit on hockey and which positions are hardest to fill and you'll start to gain a little perspective on how player values work.

Then you just need to work on viewing proposals without bias and stop with trolling and personal attacks when you don't have a valid counterpoint instead of displaying your ignorance with childish replies.</div></div>

Has HE demonstrated that he knows nothing of player values... or have you?

PLD, prior to this season, was an average 60pt 2C. This season, better numbers, a 72 point pace.
Meier, the past two seasons, is a ppg+ goal scoring power forward.

He's better than Dubois right now. Not to mention Meier was putting up these numbers on a rebuilder. I don't know what "the rarest thing in hockey" is supposed to mean, or if you just made that up?
PLD isn't fetching you this rare, unicorn like return where a team is willing to give up 3 firsts because Windjammer on capfriendly said "he's the rarest thing in hockey!!!!"

If you're looking at a PLD return, you're looking towards a Horvat return:
1st
B prospect
Young roster player..

OR, a Chychrun return.
1st
two 2nds.
(which is similar in value....)

We saw what happened when the Yotes asking price for Chychrun was near two firsts+... they were waited out because nobody wanted to pay that price for him, regardless if he was a 24 year old top pairing LHD.
You're gonna see something similar if WPG takes the same route. The return, will be similar to one of those above^

Brush up a bit on your players and trade history.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 20 at 5:26 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 20 at 12:01 p.m.
Thread: One stop shopping
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>T0R</b></div><div>I like Trenin but idk if he’d be the guy i’d want for that 2nd Line LW which is what i’m trying to fill</div></div>

I like what you've done with the lines. I watched the last two games after the Oreilly trade. I think most people can agree Tavaras and Ryan don't really fit together. Two slow skaters who can be net front guys don't really work. Having Marner as the only player who can skate on that line isn't super ideal.

I like this 3rd line. A good shut down physical line that could wear out Tampa's top 6. Even if you replaced Jeannot with Trenin, you'd yield similar results.
Nino would be a pretty good fit on that second line, I just don't know if Poile would take a first for next year, rather than this year.

If Nashville becomes sellers, any one of those three players are guys I'd love to see playing on Toronto. Regardless of what some weird homer fans on this site say, you're gonna need a big physical presence to pass Tampa, and probably Boston, in this years cup run out of the East.