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Mar. 7, 2019
Los Angeles Kings
Mar. 9, 1991
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mvp13</b></div><div>You know, with Norlinder and Guhle coming up, perhaps MTL wouldn't mind giving up Romanov if it could mean getting Villardi. I don't think they would want to give up any 1st or 2nd round picks like you said. But Romanov could potentially be an option. I know Hoffman is definitely aging, but with their signings this year (Arvidson, Danault) it seems LAK want to win sooner rather than later. Hoffman fills an immediate need, I think.
I normally try not to do many trades in my armchair GM teams because it's so hard to understand everyone's prospect pool, team needs, cap situations, etc. So, thanks for explaining. While MTL might feel differently than dumb ole me, I think if LAK looked at this trade and said, "Give me Romanov and you got a deal," I'd personally do it, especially considering the other D prospects MTL has coming up, and the picks they'd be acquiring in the other trades</div></div>
The signings of Danault/Arvidsson aren't trying to show that they're "trying to win now", more that the tear-down is complete. Now it's on the prospects to get into an atmosphere that is competitive and not bottom in league. As Byfield and Turcotte push the lineup and get experience, then it will shift to win-now mode.
I think there's a trade that could made solely around Vilardi and Romanov. Not sure why the other pieces are necessary, other than MTL just getting out of cap hit.
LA wouldn't be all that inclined to add another winger on a longer contract that will block the way of Kaliyev, ****emo, Turcotte or Kupari (if they get pushed to wing). Lehkonen does literally nothing for LA. They have zero need for another bottom-six plug. At least, while declining, there's SOME small value to Hoffman on the PP. But that's about it. My best thought would be to look at a Vilardi-Romanov swap of some sort.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mvp13</b></div><div>The way I see it is, LAK still has Turcotte and Byfield slumming around... that's 5 high quality centers on one team, where you'd arguably only want 3 of them playing center at one time. Makes sense for them to trade someone, no? I know centers can play also play wing of course, but still. Villardi is up for contract while the other 4 have contracts for the next 3+ years. I feel like he should be the "odd man out", if it means you can acquire two relatively solid wingers. Is there a contract LAK is trying to get rid of that MTL can take back to even it out? I'd suggest Matta or something, but he's up this year anyway.</div></div>
There will be a trade eventually, sure. That does not mean it will be cheap for a team acquiring whichever center the Kings deem as an odd man out.
What everyone has to get through their head is that's a position of strength in trading, not a position that forces us to sell him low. We don't need to trade our centers. We can push Gabe to the right wing, Turcotte can be played on the left, Kupari can play right, etc etc. If a team wants a center, they'll need to pay up for him otherwise we're more than happy to find a place elsewhere on the roster for them.
As far as this trade, like I said there's nothing you'll like to give up. Looking at the money going in/out
MTL: -$5.9million in cap hit
LA: +$5.9million in cap hit
Next, looking at the age/contract status:
MTL: Vilardi -- 21, ELC this year, RFA
LA: Hoffman -- 31, 4.5mil for 2 more years after this one, UFA
Lehkonen -- 26, 2.3mil this year, RFA
The cap space Montreal gets is worth a 1st alone, looking at all the cap dumps that have happened. Vilardi himself is worth a 1st+, and to me a 31 year old declining winger on a 3 year deal doesn't bring value to a team that is rebuilding. I just don't see any way at all a trade works out without multiple picks going LA's way (at least one of them a 1st round), or a guy like Romanov. Like I said, nothing that Montreal wants to give up.
And finally, the Kings don't have cap space problems. They need Maatta for depth for the next few months with the injuries to Doughty and Walker, so there's nothing really that Montreal could take from LA to even out the trade.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tryger</b></div><div>Kerfoot is 75% more than the price of Kempe, Kempe has outperformed Kerfoot in goals and points in the last two seasons. Kerfoot is a good bottom-6 player who is currently being overpaid, which is why I consider him scraps. Dermott is as you indicated a bottom-pairing defenseman who they could get for a 4th or 5th rounder if they were so inclined, not really what I would consider the return for who you want as a topline player.</div></div>
Trying to convince Leafs fans that Dermott, Kerfoot, and Holl are not even worth half of what they're asking is a lesson in futility my friend. Many of them seem to think the rest of the league is here solely to act as a dumping ground for their poor contracts and bottom-pairing defenseman, while expecting top line players in return.
"Yes, LA would love to help you regain 3 mil in cap space for the next two years and send you the best player in the trade. We need RHD defenders that can take second pairing minutes while Doughty and Walker are out. Oh, you only have a 3rd pairing left-handed defenseman? I guess that's totally fine, despite not meeting our needs at all! Also, we're up to our gills in bottom six forwards so we can't really bring our prospects up as it is. You want to send another bottom six guy? Also, you don't want to send us any picks for all of this? I mean since you're Toronto, why not?" /sarcasm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood</b></div><div>2 things,
One you definitely are undervaluing Holl. He hasn't been the best yet but he's definitely still a good player. Its been 8 games only. Couple that with the fact that Kempe hasn't ever been more than a 30 point winger, it's fairly even given the roles the players play on their team.
Secondly, your team has an old core that still wants to win. They won't likely feel good about wasting a year. Getting defensive help could be a huge help in turning this around and fighting for the playoffs in a wide open west.
Its a trade that makes a lot of sense. Not sure I'd do it but it's not one that overly favors either team. Fills holes on both sides</div></div>
I hear your second point. But that core has been losing for years, and that's without one of them being the injury. Blake has shown little to no initiative to increase the speed of the rebuild for the sake of the core. Thats not a bad thing, from my point of view, just facts.
As far as your first point, I can't see Holl being anything more than a 3RD when Doughty is back. Roy is the Kings second best defenseman by a wide margin at this point.
Also, while the 30 point comment is technically true, it discounts the shortened season last year. He ended with 29 points in 52 games. That's a 20 goal, 40 point pace in an 82 game season. I can only imagine how that would increase playing for an offensive team like the Leafs, where he'd likely be on a line with JT and Nylander, or some such combo.
Regardless, the biggest piece is something that <a href="/users/OldNYIfan" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@OldNYIfan</a> brought up, and that's contract status. Kempe's value comes in the fact that he's a RFA with team control on a phenomenal contract. The Leafs would be getting at least 3 years of him, likely more. Whereas Holl has only a year left of his contract and doesn't fit into the Kings plans outside of a stopgap for this year. Especially with the Kings RD pipeline of Clarke, Faber, Grans and Spence all soon to be pushing for spots.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yikes</b></div><div>I mean I do like Lundestrom for BUF, I can’t think Zegras would be involved tho I agree with fans in that. You’re getting Eichel to play with Zegras basically so if you lose Zegras there’s little point.
Imo, you have to involve that teams point of view. I think there’s a world where the Kings would involve Byfield but I wouldn’t. And clearly they wouldn’t. Part of the asking Buffalo is demanding is almost unplayable by the elite teams so you have rebuilders bidding on Eichel who want their top prospects they slaved for, and the others are desperate like Vegas who also is quite poor towards Buffalos ask. So you have teams with prospects who have prospects they just can’t afford to lose and teams with maybe not the right amount/ quality of pieces tryna bundle something together.
If Vegas gets Eichel without moving Krebs, I can’t see many ways of Buffalo “winning” the trade.</div></div>
100% agree with all that you wrote. It's why I, as a Kings fan, want Anaheim to trade for him. I get why fans don't want him involved, and if they can do it without Zegras, good for them, but those two are going to have so little support with no help incoming. =p
As far as the Kings, they were one of the few teams that made sense with their absurd stockpile of prospects. Even if Turcotte and another couple of top guys went the other way, you still have Byfield and Kaliyev. If Byfield went, you likely have another 1st staying in LA, and you've got Turcotte still. So much support for Eichel even after the trade. I'd personally rather see how the kids develop, which us why I'm glad the Kings aren't really an option anymore.
And it's a clear loss for the Sabers if they can't get Krebs out of Vegas. The dude was picked in the teens and has shown little to nothing at the NHL level. Buffalo can't accept that he's untouchable.