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Toronto Maple Leafs
Yesterday at 10:26 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Ironically we could end up stealing these two in FA in 2026 from FLA lul
Also would be funny if we ended up with the 2016 1,2,3 guys for 2024 but one could argue to much risk/not what they need to do rn
Like would I love Laine in TOR yes but at the same time with all he's dealt with I think he needs to go to a place where he wont need to be the guy. Caroline or Nashville for instance</div></div>
Dont think hed be the guy in toronto at all. Not even #2
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Yesterday at 10:05 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
You know, there is a non zero chance that we could do what Florida did with the 2014 draft class.
Ekblad, Reinhart, Bennett
And we could have
Matthews, Laine, PLD (if he gets bought out)
For the right price? Could be done. Risky for sure though lmao
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Wed. at 11:54 a.m.
Thread:
Rumours from Twitter
Signing rights have consistently been traded for a 5th. You can pencil that in
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Mon. at 12:24 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>Listen I get everyone being upset, but damn do some people have zero idea of how the world around them functions.
Like look at this thread lmao. Everyone of them just outing themselves as total <a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/848701">Idiots</a>
<a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/5222953">And this one too</a>
It's both a testiment to our success and also a scathing indictment on the average guy that people can go about their lives this utterly clueless and incurious</div></div>
I just went back to see who all has commented.
A lot of guys I'd 100% expect to see there lmao
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Mon. at 8:02 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
Listen I get everyone being upset, but damn do some people have zero idea of how the world around them functions.
Like look at this thread lmao. Everyone of them just outing themselves as total <a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/848701">Idiots</a>
<a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/5222953">And this one too</a>
It's both a testiment to our success and also a scathing indictment on the average guy that people can go about their lives this utterly clueless and incurious
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Sun. at 10:11 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>For those interested, there is a Leafs focused site.
tmlfans.ca
It has articles, a forum with many sections (some that have nothing to do with the Leafs) and has links/discussions on the various famous Leafs podcasts.
I browse the forum, there are definitely some interesting takes. I used to have an account but I forgot the password and never bothered trying to reset it or create a new account.
Just an option for those of you who are wanting more Leafs engagement.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>It's been fun discussing everything Leafs with everyone. Hopefully we run into each other on a new site like this one.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsFan</b></div><div>Really enjoyed talking Leafs with everyone on here.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Trickster</b></div><div>Is there an alternative ACGM tool on another site we know of?</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>It was nice talking Leafs with you guys, until next time 👋</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>Nothing matters anymore!!!! **** THE WASHINGTON CAPITALS</div></div>
I'd imagine puckpedia will be the next site. Not sure how advanced it's forums are though.
Feel free to follow me on Twitter. If you care about my useless ramblings. Same name.
This sucks. Sounds like we still have a few days though. Won't happen until july 5
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Sun. at 2:02 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
Okay so ideally our draft looks like:
23: Eiserman
27 (from CAR for Lily): Emery
5th rounder: Nichol
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Sat. at 10:33 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>Last year was their first with PLD and he was still playing wing before that, I believe. And I'd be way more concerned about developing Byfield as a C than letting PLD play there.</div></div>
Gonna be honest. I have no concerns. Why would they have him at 3C for a 2nr overall pick. It didn't make sense for them to develop him there, and with his age and struggles having him on the wing would lighten that load. As he moves towards his prime I think we could have him at C long term
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Armchair-GM
Sat. at 10:31 a.m.
Thread:
If the cup ends early
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Marner has very good value. But Marner is a rental. There is no world where returns a 21 year old star player in the making. None. Anyone who thinks otherwise is setting themselves up for massive disappointment</div></div>
Pretending as though he's being traded without some idea of a contract extension seem far more silly, but I suppose we will see
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Sat. at 7:46 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>Aware of the PLD situation, but hasn't Byfield pretty much entirely switched to the wing? Would still probably be worth the shot, but I'd like to know we're locking down our bonafide 2C.</div></div>
They have Kopitar, PLD and Dannault. Where else would Byfield play?
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Armchair-GM
Sat. at 6:19 a.m.
Thread:
If the cup ends early
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>No they made it pretty clear that they have no intention of doing that even if the opportunity arises.
Who's underrating Leafs? Byfield is a beast and is going to continue being a beast for many long years to come. There is no world where you can possibly think 1 year of Marner has more value than 5+ years of Byfield and Dubois</div></div>
1 time 55 point player vs a guy whos been at a 100 point pace for the last 4 years and is excellent defensively lmao. Marner has insane value and anyone pretending otherwise is being silly.
I obviously like Byfield but yeah, Marner is being vastly underrated. Besides we all know that wherever he ends up will almost certainly be where Mitch signs due to his NMC.
CC:
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CowanDeBrabarian</b></div><div>LA probably block your number. Marner is a top tier player, but LA would be insane to do this. Cost control young promising star vs 1 year of huge expense on a perimeter player.
Also, you'd have to add something sweeter to the VAN trade. They'll take Lil, but need another roster player or ripe prospect to make it work.</div></div>
I don't see Hronek getting more than this. Frankly I think the Leafs are losing this trade (I'm a big Liljegren guy)
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Sat. at 5:37 a.m.
Thread:
If the cup ends early
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mv21227</b></div><div>Canucks pass. I don’t see them moving Hronek unless it’s for a bonafide top 6 winger</div></div>
You guys have been searching for a RHD for awhile now. I think Lily is massively underrated atm and that you'd run away laughing once he got there.
21 mins a night against top competition, good analytics, #1 used by Keefe when defending a lead (and also when behind). People aren't paying attention to this guy
Getting him at low cost against the cap and a pick frankly could turn into highway robbery.
I'm kinda pissed that hes on the way out obviously, but nothing I can do about that
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Armchair-GM
Sat. at 5:19 a.m.
Thread:
If the cup ends early
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>LA has already said they have no intention of buying PLD out.</div></div>
They have to say that, but if the opportunity becomes available where he would only cost 1/3rd, they'll have to look at it.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Byfield has significantly more value than Marner right now</div></div>
I love how Leafs get chronically undervalued on here. Always a fun and not at all repetitive conversation
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Sat. at 5:05 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
So uhh,
If the NHL playoffs end quickly, LA can buy out Dubois for 1/3 of his price (if it goes to 7 he costs 2/3s).
If they do that, theyll have tons of cap space.
Marner for Byfield 1 for 1.
Byfield gets 6-7.5 mil on a mid to long term deal to be our 3C and eventual 2C.
I think it makes sense
<a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/5216325">something like this</a>
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Sat. at 2:58 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>So interesting report may give us 300k extra cap space to spend thanks to playoff revenue being better than expected
So Cap could be 88m and not 87.7m
IMO whenever cap goes up should either be like 87.5 or 88m and not okay 87.7m
Just makes things easier and more even lul</div></div>
Induced demand affects cap space just as it affects everything else. Doesn't actually matter much
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Jun. 6 at 10:16 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>I think it would be dumb not to have him there... He actually had his 1rst 80+ game season since his rookie year while playing PK, with the only game he missed was from ilness (from mulitple guys being in his home filming for the TV show, I'd have to imagine, considering he doesn't usually get this sick all the time)
I think Berube knows he has time to tinker with the lineup during the RS, so why not try Cowan with Matthews on PK2, what's the worst that can happen? Cowan not do well in G5 of the RS and gets pulled off?
I'm not expecting Cowan do be anything more than my expectation for Knies (i.e. just try to contribute every game, not on the Gs and As categories, but the small stuff like puck battles) IF he makes the team
Best thing TOR can do is get ELCs on their team (which would help with Grebonkin as 4RW with Reavo, Minten, Cowan, Niemela, giving Webber reps at 7D and Knies) look at all of the cup winning teams, you need bargain players... On top of those ELCs, you'll have McMann, Woll and Benoit making peanuts...
Trade Marner for more types of these players and draft picks and go from there... But Berube will get the most out of Cowan if he displays confidence in him, like London's done</div></div>
I think if Cowan gets 13-15 mins a night in the top 6 he can get us 30-50 points (call it 40). He's a playmaker, so putting him in the Domi spot with Matthews makes a lot of sense I think
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 6 at 1:07 a.m.
Thread:
If no one makes a decent offer for Ullmark
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Celtics21</b></div><div>I doubt it. People make up this narrative on goalies based on few data points driven more by cap than reality.
My guess is he gets the Darcy Kuemper package or basically what most pending FA’s get. A late first round pick</div></div>
Are you illiterate or something?
This entire thread is about how that return would be bad, and I'm saying that would be an excellent return.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 6 at 12:49 a.m.
Thread:
If no one makes a decent offer for Ullmark
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Celtics21</b></div><div>Primarily because great goalies generally don’t get traded unless there are cap reasons pushing it. There are only a few examples recently where that wasn’t the case and most provided atleast a late first rounder in terms of return.
I don’t use the two Taylor Hall deals as a mechanism that forwards are cheap now. Both had drivers behind them, but that doesn’t stop this narrative that goalies are “cheap”
3 of the last 4 has outstanding goalies and we saw how bad goaltending just neutered some up and coming teams.
What the original poster said was pretty accurate. Ullmark likely will provide more value to the team this year than the first round pick will over the next 8. Most late first rounders turn into fringe AHL players. The primary value for trading him next year is probably the player they sign with that money.
For cap health, it probably does make sense that his $5M be an expiring.</div></div>
Justify it all you want, but you are going to joining the many people who somehow get shocked when goalies don't get huge returns if he gets moved. It happens every time, so don't feel too bad about yourself
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 5 at 10:10 p.m.
Thread:
If no one makes a decent offer for Ullmark
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jake_Defranchise</b></div><div>Not for what Ullmark adds to our team for making only 5M. This guy won a vezina a year ago. Even IF that is the market for him, it doesn't make sense in theory or in practice to trade a top 10 player at his position for picks when you want to contend.</div></div>
Thats fine thinking picks don't help you, but you have the goalie market completely off value wise.
Yes, for a player like Ullmark, getting a 1st would be an excellent return.
I don't know why people always overestimate what goalies return - they never get very much
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 5 at 10:03 p.m.
Thread:
If no one makes a decent offer for Ullmark
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quote:</div>If you are only getting a first and a later pick I'd rather keep him</div>
Uhh, you might want to check what goalies tend to go for. That would be an excellent return
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Jun. 5 at 9:51 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
I am seeing Florida fans offering Spencer Knight for a 3rd round pick. I'd 100% make that trade. 23 year old first round goalie to tandem with Woll? Absolutely worth the bet I think
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Jun. 5 at 7:15 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>Craig Button has him at 15, which is his own personal ranking. Bob, who's list is usually far more reflective of reality, has him at 45 (though that was mid-season and he is on the rise). And most other outlets have him in that area as well, though some have him in the 20-30 range.</div></div>
Yeah the lists are a bit out of date. That's a first rounder. Pronman has him mocked to STL at 16.
Which speaking of, thinking we could probably pick up another 1st from CAR. They have 27 (Sandin got 28) and we know Lily would be a real Canes guy. Plus they're losing 2 expensive D and need to replace the spot.
Grab a guy like EJ Emery at 27 (6'3 RH DFD)
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Jun. 5 at 6:50 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>If we can pick up a 2nd round pick, I'd really like to draft Stian Solberg. Dude is a mean and intense SOB on the ice.</div></div>
uhh, Buddy hes ranked 15th at TSN and has been rising very quickly lmao.
Don't think a 2nd is going to help you there.
You would be better off praying hes still there at 23
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 5 at 4:55 a.m.
Thread:
I am completely insane
I know exactly what you're thinking here, but you couldn't convince me that the 100 Hockey Men (tm) don't value Trouba greatly. He just won the Messier award!
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Jun. 5 at 3:11 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
The more I think about it, the more I think that Seth Jones is this generations Dion Phaneuf.
Solid 2nd pair D getting paid #1 money.
Blackhawks fans are totally delusional about his value on here but I wonder what a Dion Phaneuf esq trade would look like for us to acquire Jones.
Man I'm just looking at Chicago's roster, they have so many bad contracts that need to be half retained in order to get moved. Just awful management over there.
Foligno, Dickenson, AA, Mrazek, etc
Also I've mentioned this before but I'd totally bring back Connor Brown on a league min deal next year
Also, William Nicholl might be worth a flyer with one of our 5th or 7th round picks. Upside bet like Julien was for the Jets last year
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