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Forum: NHLMay 24 at 11:55 You don't have to blow it up.
Cal Foote alone is worth more than Colin Miller. Foote is one of the best defensive prospects in the entire league, and Miller is so loose defensively that he can't break the top 4 in Vegas, despite his offensive numbers. I can't believe you are giving up everything else in that trade, too. You should be getting picks from Vegas, not the other way around. Cal Foote can easily make the team next year, and he'll save you money so you don't have to move out all of your supporting players. Smith-Pelly is in the minors, Lindberg, Stralman, and McQuaid are way overpaid (why would you even pay a guy $3,000,000 to be scratched?), and Fast, Erne, and Joesph should not be in the top 9 with the talent this team has.
I know the sweep was a shell-shock, but it's still a great team. Don't sign Smith-Pelly, Lindberg, Stralman, or any of the players you have scratched, cut a few hundred thousand from the Paquette and Erne contracts, sign Rutta for under $2M, and revert all your trades. If you do all that and call up one or two prospects to fill in the gaps, you only have to move out one $5-6M contract. If you're looking to gain assets, trade Gourde for picks before his contract kicks in, but otherwise you can give a team some picks to take Callahan.
It was a terrible 4 games, but it was just 4 games. This team has shown in the past that in can win a lot of playoff series with this group, so don't mess with it too much.
Zadorov isn't that great of a defenseman (he plays on the third line), so I don't think he's worth the trade or the contract. OEL, Goligoski, and Chychrun are a pretty solid top 3, so I don't see the need to spend on a big defenseman anyway. The Rangers are also rebuilding, so they won't want to lose Lias Andersson either. The Panarin deal is also not a possibility. He has said he wants to go to a big city or a beach, and he's probably going to get $10M+, although adding a big forward free agent was a smart idea!
That being said, I think one of the bright spots on this Arizona team was how destructive their penalty kill was, and Richardson and Grabner ran the show for it. Arizona has a lot of good young pieces, and I think a Schmaltz-Keller pairing could be deadly. If your team was this close to making it last year with all the injuries, I think they have a great shot next season.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheJoeMan</b></div><div>All three of those trades make the Ducks worse. We don't need to get rid of Kesler so badly that we'd have to trade away a first rounder, nor would that be worth it to Vancouver to carry that cap hit for six years. And Vancouver is just going to give us Tanev and Markstrom on top of that? Yikes.
I keep seeing so many trades with Shore and/or Rowney for a low-level draft pick. Why? These two are quality, value players. I mean if we HAVE to move them, which we don't, we better get better value for them. Rowney was one of the few bright spots this season. Shore was solid too. Good PKer, provided decent offense and makes less than 3 mil.
And I wouldn't trade Terry for Fox straight up, especially without a contract, let alone with Sherwood thrown in. And who's to say he'd even sign here? He's clearly a player who wants to choose where he goes and we are never a team that these players want to sign with.</div></div>
Agree 100%. With all the new additions of rookies on ELCs, the Ducks aren't in a cap crunch and don't need to dump Kesler, especially if it will cost them that much. Devin Shore is a consistent, versatile 30 point player, and could earn a 3rd by himself at the trade deadline. Giving him up for a full season with an RFA expiry should command more than that. And lastly, DO NOT TOUCH TERRY! Especially in this case. I know Fox is a highly touted prospect, but he's never played in the NHL, whereas Terry has shown real promise and looks to be a cornerstone of the rebuild.
I get that you want to accelerate the rebuild, but you can't just dump everybody. Unless you get a McDavid/Matthews type, rookies need experienced players to help ease them into the league, and not all of them may be done developing in the minors. The Ducks are already thin on defense so you can't get rid of one of their best shutdown guys in Manson, especially when there is no suitable replacement (Murphy simply does not compare). Dotchin is a good depth signing, since he has shown flashes of NHL-quality play, but I'm not sure he's 100% reliable yet, especially to play a top 4 role in place of Manson. As far as the trade values go, you need to get more in return. Yeah some of the contracts may be daunting, but they are all proven NHL players with term, so they deserve more. I kinda like where your head is at, but I think you are a bit over-eager in a lot of these moves. Although it would be kinda nice to see the roster bolstered by veterans Benn and Leddy if the Ducks were making a run, there are enough defensive prospects in the pipeline that they should avoid acquiring expensive deals for old players who will still be taking up roster spots in a year or two. I do like Tim Heed as a cheap depth add.
As far as forwards go, I wouldn't acquire either ZAR or Johnston. Shore is a very versatile middle-6 forward, while Zach has yet to prove himself and is the same age. I do like the fact that you're adding picks, but if that's what you were going for, then I'd rather get more/better picks than bring on Zach, who isn't that young anymore. Ross might have been just a throw in piece in the Ritchie deal, but Ritchie is younger and more proven, so I'd rather hang onto him. Plus, it was a smart move to resign Grant for depth, so why not use him? Lastly, I don't think Lundestrom is ready for the NHL full time (at least not over Jones/Comtois), and I think Eaves is going to retire so no one is going to trade for him, even if its a 6th or 7th round pick.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>Sure and CBJ didn't just pound your lineup up and down the boards and all over the ice for 4 games.
Barré-Boulet, Point, Kucherov, (he's what 5'11 if that), Johnson. That's four of your top 6 who are small players.
Then you wonder why the other team comes out and beats on your lineup. Yeah I'm sure you will win a lot of games in the regular season. But if you haven't figured it out by now, come the playoffs the game is different. You better be ready to hit and be hit. This is two years now where TB was simply out physicaled up and down the ice.
Speed and skill only goes so far when the other team is willing to plaster you all over the boards.</div></div>
I get that guys like Foligno/Anderson/Dubinsky make the Blue Jackets appear more heavy, but the only way Columbus pounded the Lightning up and down the boards was through effort and puck control. CBJ is actually a slightly lighter and younger team than TBL and the Lightning out-hit the Blue Jackets 144-117 in the series. Four of CBJ's Top 6 (Duchene, Atkinson, Panarin, and Dzingel) are all under 200lb, and their entire top line is under 6'0". Also, according to CapFriendly's depth charts, both teams have only 8 skaters above 200lb, so it's not like Columbus had an arsenal of big guys that would crush all of the small Lightning players.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not completely arguing against big players. I just don't get the argument that they need to be in the top 6 over more skilled players. Weight can be beneficial for defensemen (all of Tampa's D-men are over 200lbs by the way) and for bottom 6 players, who can't always rely on skill and need to win board battles or lay a hit to knock the opposition off the puck. With the way the league is now, most of the biggest point producers are smaller, and big players who can also score are becoming few and far between. I know the Lightning's big-3 didn't live up to expectations, but Panarin, Duchene, and Atkinson drove the offense for the whole series. If you gave the same minutes to the heavy bottom 6 guys like Foligno, Dubinsky and Jenner, I can guarantee you they would not have been able to out-score the Lighting.
TL;DR: The Lighting are actually bigger and hit more than Columbus did. Big players do have a place in hockey, but unless they also have the skill, they should not be in the top 6.