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Rokk

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Forum: Armchair-GMApr 16 at 6:09
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>Do you consider patrik Laine a player that “can score?”

I never argued that they should should play an up tempo run and gun style - my point was to give barzal a player like beau/palmieri that have shooting talent. Trotz saddling barzal with komarov/zajac is one of the reasons why I don’t think he deserves to have success. It’s a reckless old school way of thinking.

Dubas didn’t move away from analytics lol - a lot of fans like yourself think that analytics is about skill over grit. It’s substance over style. Good players who are gritty &gt;&gt;&gt; skilled players that get out shot and outscored. Foligno has solid analytics.</div></div>

Apparently after seeing him play in Columbus, I'm wondering if Laine can score. Since he scored all those goals on the second line in Winnipeg. You know the spot in the line up he was constantly whining about. He wanted 1st line minutes. Well he's got the 1st line minutes now and don't even bother arguing about Columbus being a defensive team, because he sucks at playing defense even more. What's his excuse on the PP.

That reckless old school way of thinking has turned them in to winners. That reckless old school way of thinking drives number crunchers in the analytics community insane because they can't figure out how they're still winning. They've yet to figure out there's more to the game than 1's and 0's.

Watch this <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElyIHuPkl6A" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Acquiring Nick Foligno from an analytics standpoint.</a>

I love the part where he says "you know about the high slot chances, you know about the high danger passes, but the things is these guys eventually score"

That was his big pitch...lol..well duh!!!

Anyone that's constantly shooting at the net will eventually score. I don't need numbers to tell me that. Hypothetically Komarov could lead the league in xGF as long as he took a ton of shots from the slot area. Not saying he WOULD or that he will, but, hypothetically he could.

Anyways I do get what you're trying to say. Even if I sound like I don't. Have a good day. :)
Forum: Armchair-GMApr 16 at 1:51
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>Not everything’s about scoring and this trap system hurts players production. Palmieri is considered a fringe 1st line winger and looks pretty damn ordinary in this defense 1st system. Patrik Laine would be lucky to score 25 goals on this team.

Eberle is on pace for 27 goals this season. On another team he’d score 30+.

Barzal is better off with a guy like beau/palmieri than a net front presence. Both can evade pressure and find soft spots in the ozone which compliments barzal’s skillset more than a guy who stands in front of the net and battles for space.</div></div>

Well we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>Overestimating barzal’s ability to control the game offensively?Heis is a top 10 center in the league and one of the most dominant offensive players. He is held back by trotz - on most other teams he is a 90-100 pt player</div></div>

A 90 to 100 point player also has at least one winger that can score and that ain't Eberle. You need to step away from the spreadsheet for a moment and realize that the Islanders aren't an offensive team. They aren't the Avalanche, Penguins, Oilers or the Lightning. They don't have the personnel to play the style of hockey you want them to. They tried that style in the past with pretty much this exact team when Tavares was here and it failed on an epic level. The fact they missed the playoffs 6 times in 9 seasons including his last 2 seasons should indicate that they don't have the players for that kind of system.

Slam Trotz all you want but he's turned this team around after everyone thought the Islanders were finished and about to enter a rebuild when they lost Tavares. Has he been perfect no of course not. I haven't agreed with a lot his line up changes, He's still one of the best coaches in the league, just because he doesn't rely on analytics as much as you and a few others doesn't mean he sucks at his job. Even Dubas whose an analyst's dream GM moved away from analytics with his deadline deals because he felt it wasn't helping him come playoff time.

Anyways, I'm off to bed. Have a good night bud. :)
Forum: Armchair-GMApr 16 at 12:55
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>Yes you need those guys on your team, but it does not have to be on barzal’s line. Marchand isn’t strictly a net front presence, he can score in many different ways.

Barzal needs players that can score off the rush and forecheck well. Making him play a cycle and board work style doesn’t get the most out of his skillset. With a one dimensional net front presence barzal is forced to go low to high and have defenseman take shots and look for rebounds. With a lw like palmieri/beau/wahlstrom they can score in many different ways. They don’t have to limit themselves to being a net front player.</div></div>

I think you're over estimating Barzals ability to control the game offensively. I know I sound like a broken record but Eberle's not a first line winger. He scores sure, but he's one of the most inconsistent players in the league. He can go on a tear where he scores 4 to 5 goals in a 2 or 3 game span. Then nothing for the next 10 games. He's streaky if Barzal had a winger that could consistently score 40 to 50 a season I'd agree with you.

Barzals numbers have been way down since Lees injury, partially because of Komarov but it doesn't help that Eberle's not scoring either. You put a big guy in front of the net and that goalie can't see Barzal coming. he's got an elite shot, much more accurate than Eberles. If the opposing defense is worried about clearing the guy away from his goalie which he should be, It opens up more ice for Barzal to do his thing. Right now, whenever Barzal touches the puck the entire team collapses on him and he's been turning over the puck a lot more recently. Not to mention the goalie has a clear view of everything coming in his direction.
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