Mar 1, 2016
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ConnorsCousin</b></div><div>agree with the second part. and I guess my whole point is that when people say we're stuck with Lucic's contract, its a bit of an exaggeration. First of all, if you're not dressing him, he's not a problem on the ice. So the Oilers could dress 12 forwards ahead of Milan. Secondly, if push came to shove at the expansion draft, yes buying him out gives us no cap flexibility, but it does mean we get to protect someone else who has more value, so still worth it. And lastly, like I said, his actual money owed is less than his cap hit. Budget teams love to eat these kinds of contracts because it helps them reach the floor. Imagine eating 50% percent of that and we're practically paying his salary to play somewhere else. I'm saying the contract is easier to move than you make it seem to be.</div></div>
I don't know if you meant to quote someone else or not, but I explicitly said that we're probably stuck with Looch for another year or two until the contract becomes more palatable. That doesn't imply that we're stuck with him until the contract runs out.
That does not, however, change the fact that the contract is still nearly buyout proof. If push comes to shove, and Lucic does not waive his NMC before the expansion draft, it becomes a last-minute resort. But, there will be no cap savings, and management will have to make a decision accordingly.
I hope that clarifies my position on this.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ConnorsCousin</b></div><div>Well, come the summer of the expansion draft, if we bought him out then, he'd have two years left which means 4 years of dead cap if we bought him out. However, if we traded him at retained cap hit by then, it'd be 3M for the next two seasons. And don't forget his contract is front loaded. Actual money owed on Lucic last 2 years is basically half or a quarter of his cap hit.
Fact of the matter is, the closer we are to his contract's expiry date, the easier it is to trade it.</div></div>
The problem isn't the money owing, it's the fact that so much of it is paid in signing bonuses, which do not provide cap relief savings in terms of the buyout. It really is, for the duration of the contract, nearly buyout proof.
I mean, we all knew that this contract would be an albatross at some time. I don't think any of us thought it would be this much of a cinder block this soon. I can honestly say I've never seen a player's skill set completely erode of a Christmas break the way Lucic's did in Christmas 2017.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>arafay</b></div><div>They get a good middle six winger (need) and a rd prospect with real potential if he can stay healthy
I could add a pick but they aren’t getting a lot more for puljujarvi. Perreault is worth a 3rd at least (while taking the jets’ cap issues into account and green is a good prospect</div></div>
This could not be a more incorrect assessment of Edmonton's needs.
A 31 year old 3rd liner making north of $4 mil with term has precious little value to Edmonton. All kinds of Perreault-like players available on the UFA market, although that really should be the way the Oilers go, anyway, since our biggest need is ELC or sub-million players who can perform at the NHL level
The Oilers greatest strength is in blueline prospects, so Green doesn't exactly move the needle, either.
Finally, Jesse's value is at an all-time low. Smart GMs do not move 21 year-old 4th overall picks at this time. His agent can pout, whine, threaten, and stomp his feet all he wants, but Holland doesn't have to give in (see Athanasiou, Andreas as a case study on how Holland handled a similar situation).
Now, even if it does come to that, there are a ton of other teams who can pony up more. For example, Carolina has been rumored to have offered Julie Gauthier, who absolutely fits the Oilers needs a whole pile better than this.
To summarize: an aging, 30 point winger to a cap-strapped team and an okay defensive prospect added to a plethora of defensive prospects does nothing at all for the Oilers.
Hardest of passes on this deal.
Well, first thing's first, Lucic isn't going anywhere until his signing bonus is paid on July 1.
Really, the only option is to Vancouver, who has few bad contracts on the books with term (Roussel, Beagle, Eriksson), has oodles of cap space with which to work, and a GM who doesn't exactly have a reputation for astute, shrewd manoeuvreing.
Pick one of the above, add in the appropriate amount of draft picks and prospects in proportion to the bad contract we are taking in return, and then hope to all that is holy that the trade call is made before someone talks some sense into Jim Benning.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kakko_to_New_York</b></div><div>Gagner is almost dead and Smith could bounce back?</div></div>
Smith's steak is every bit as medium-well as Gagner's is at this point.
He also makes over a million more than Gagner, which is significant since the Oilers are entering Hades in cap-terms. He has one more year longer on his deal than Gagner, and, the icing on the cake here is that would be a healthy scratch in Edmonton, as he's not playing ahead of Klefbom, Nurse, or Sekera.
If you bought him out, maybe Edmonton would offer a 1 year-deal at $1 mil to play a 6-7 defender role. Depends what Holland thinks of him (and he would certainly know him well).
Maybe he could regain his form again; or, maybe he's Brandon Manning. Either way, Edmonton's not taking on that brutal 2nd year of the deal.
Sorry, hardest of passes here from Edmonton's POV.