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Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsDec. 6, 2018 at 3:31 p.m.
Thread: Remember the days when it didnt cost your first born to acquire a defenceman
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LoganOllivier</b></div><div>The best seasons Erik Karlsson has had have been when he was paired with Marc Methot. He isn't a stud defenceman, he isn't even a top pair defenceman, he's a solid vet who can play reliable minutes and lets his partner do his thing. Hainsey did a great job of that to start his time in TO but he's lost a step and he gets caught out of position way too often. I'd much rather see him lower in the lineup and on the left side which is his strong side. I don't think you need a stud to play with Rielly, of course that would be awesome if you could get one but the cost to get one is massive right now. Way too much in my opinion, so to me there is likely some smaller move where you can give up a guy like Brown, a 1st and something else and get an upgrade that will either be just a deadline acquisition who walks this year or next year. I think the long term answer for the defence is coming in the way of Liljegren and Sandin.

So is it just impossible for the Leafs to find an upgrade on the back end at a fair cost that doesn't include a massive overpay?</div></div>

Is it not possible that Hainsey's play is allowing Rielly to thrive the same way Methot let Karlsson thrive? He's on the ice so much which is why he'll be more prone to making mistakes as he fatigues. I've mentioned on here and a few other threads...someone like a Deryk Engelland could be had from Vegas if they find themselves out of the playoff picture. Is he an upgrade on Hainsey? Probably not...but he's a vet that can be relied on for 20min and, as a pending UFA, might be had for a pair of mid-round picks.

Is it an upgrade? Debateable? But I think anyting you acquire with the pieces you've suggested will be debated in the same manner...are they actually an upgrade?
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsDec. 6, 2018 at 2:58 p.m.
Thread: Remember the days when it didnt cost your first born to acquire a defenceman
I think most one here have answered you, though. For the pieces you are willing to give up, you are looking at landing a 30+ dman who is largely viewed as a 4-5 defenceman....which is what you already have in Hainsey. A second or 3rd round pick could land you this kind of player.

If you package enough up, maybe somewhere between an Alec Martinez and a Deryk Engelland.

You just can't have it both ways....it's not reasonable to move the assets you're referring to and pick up someone who's:
1. Capable of taking on top 4 minutes from the right side
2. Better than what you're getting out of Hainsey right now
3. Doesn't have a big contract moving forward
4. Is available
5. Fits in with the long term strategy of the Leafs

I think the point you're tying to make is....that you're not willing to sacrifice anything meaningful from this team in order to improve the defence in any significant way. And that's fine if that's your opinion. I'm sure there's many GM's in the league who inquire on a d-man, find out the asking price, and hang up in disbelief.

The baseline rate, it seems from deadlines past, to acquire and impact player is a 1st rounder, top prospect + a roster player. If I told you that only 20% of draft picks taken between picks 20-31 overall ever turn out to be a top 6 forward, top 4 d-man or #1 goalie...does that change your willingness to include the Leafs' first rounder? If you learn that Kapanen pots 30 goals this season and won't settle for any contract extension under $5m, does that change your willingness to include him?

The way we all value the various assets around the league is always going to vary wildly and I imagine that's the same with actual GM's.

Personally, I've found most regulars on here to be quite reasonable. If I like a player on their team and want to know what it would take from the Leafs roster to acquire him, I may not like the responses, but it's a good way to get a feel for how those fans view their players vs. yours.

Yes, there's a lot of posters on here who love to slam anything Leafs related. But there's also lots of leaf fans on here who post some pretty unrealistic trade proposals or contract numbers. I think we all need to realize that we have people on here ranging from 60+ years old probably down to around 10 years old or younger....so anytime I see something posted that's way off base, I try and picture a young boy on the opposite end who just came on here for fun to try and see what his favourite team looks like stacked up with his favourite players.

While you and I typically have different opinions with respect to the Leafs, I respect your posts and insights.....my advice is to take a step back, sometimes....a lot of times you'll take a disagreement with someone in one thread and then post your own ACGM team shortly after to try and prove your point....all this does in encourage the posters you've been arguing with to simply carry their criticisims foward on the new thread.

For a long time I've taken the approach that the purpose of a debate or argument in not to win it...it's to learn the other persons point of view. Encourage people to disagree with you and learn from it. Anyway...my 2 cents from one leaf fan to another.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 22, 2018 at 3:12 p.m.