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Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 20 at 8:26 p.m.
Thread: Meier 23-24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>papishark</b></div><div>Maybe Drury for Gunler?

Idk most of your guys seem interchangeable but this is a good basis for a deal.

I actually think the Philly second will be more perfered because Greier wants 2023 firsts, and its not too far away from being one.</div></div>

Yeah I debated between Drury, Gunler, Suzuki, etc. I could see a variation on the deal but I think the basis is close.

Drury I see as more of a higher floor bottom 6 guy that I think the Canes might value to fill out the bottom of their lineup at a low cost soon as the roster flirts with the cap. Gunler I think has more upside as a scorer but also more risk, so depends on where the Sharks priorities are at. I can see some back and forth over that kind of discussion but shouldn't be enough to hold up a deal.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 20 at 8:20 p.m.
Thread: Meier 23-24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>nintendofan721</b></div><div>I don’t think Pacioretty is ever going to play again sadly.</div></div>

That may be true. Pretty brutal what's happened to him sadly, it'll probably be into the offseason before there's much clarity on his chances of fully healing and for him to make a decision. More just wanted to highlight the flexibility that exists in that spot with ~$5M available to fill it. There will be other good options I'm sure.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Faeyla</b></div><div>That's way too much for Patches if he wants to play again.

I can see the Canes giving him something like 1-1.5 at most if he comes back during the middle of the season. They're 100% in to re-signing him for next season if he wants to play.

I could see Staal taking something like 3 million for 2-3 years to end his career here. No need to give him that much.</div></div>

You may be right. I don't think anyone can reasonably say what the prognosis or timeline for Pacioretty will be right now, but if he gets a clean bill of health and is motivated to play I didn't want to look like I was lowballing him. Same with Staal, I originally had him in the $3-4M range as that wouldn't surprise me. But its easy to undervalue contracts when doing a mock like this to make the job seem easy, I wanted to see how even in more of a worst case scenario the cap still works and there is room to add/improve. Depending on what happens with Patches, I also like a guy like Tomas Tatar for that spot at a similar $ figure, so you could stick his name there if you prefer.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 13, 2021 at 6:51 p.m.
Thread: Tarasenko and Hamilton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vikhodush</b></div><div>I like the concept and really well thought out but I think including Suzuki is unnecessary in the Tara deal. Would imagine the next couple of guys just below Suzuki would still be enough.

I also don’t mind the idea of moving Skjei but would probably have a couple of other deals to move him for assets and then acquire another second pairing guy via a different trade.</div></div>

Thanks for the feedback!

Yeah I think the trade is probably an overpayment, especially considering the reaction of a Blues fan in the first comment saying he'd take it in a heartbeat. I didn't want to be a Canes homer and throw a lowball offer in though, and this way I think it kinda shows that even in a worst case, overpayment scenario the Canes system is capable of absorbing the loss. But ideally sub in someone like Rees for Suzuki or downgrade the pick to a 2nd.

As to your couple other trades idea to replace Skjei with a different second pairing guy, I don't disagree, just wonder if you have any specific names in mind? I'm sure there's probably a better combination of trades with other teams out there, I just didn't have anyone specific coming to me and had seen a Scandella/Skjei swap in another one of these mocks and liked the simplicity of it. If someone suggested a series of moves that netted out better in the end I'll gladly run another Armchair GM with those moves instead.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 25, 2021 at 4:01 p.m.
Thread: REALISTIC
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vikhodush</b></div><div>I’d like to see him gone regardless of what deal he would accept. Think he’s a 7D on a true contender. However I think he’ll end up getting 1.5M just based on what I’ve read from so called experts. He’s worth what teams are willing to spend and for some reason he impressed a lot of people while with the Canes but personally I didn’t see much.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OnlyBadDeals</b></div><div>I agree with everything you've said, but he has impressed some because he is big and hits a lot. GMs (and fans) love players like that. Not many 6'5 RHD getting less than 1 million.</div></div>

You guys might be right, but if he's really gonna get that kind of money I hope the Canes walk away and let someone else do it. I know its a popular style to watch, but I just can't believe that being big and hitting a lot are enough reason to get a $1.5M NHL payday in 2021 instead of being an effective defenseman. Its mind boggling. Like you said, I think he's a 7D/tweener type at best, I didn't see anything else from him to suggest a bigger role and more money than that. I'd much rather have a guy like TVR back at that kind of salary.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 25, 2021 at 10:36 a.m.
Thread: REALISTIC
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OnlyBadDeals</b></div><div>Not really. Danault is getting a raise. Connor probably cost more. Hakanpaa gets more.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vikhodush</b></div><div>I mean I like some of the stuff on here but..

Danault is gonna cost much more than that. No thanks on Palmeiri at that cap hit. No thanks to Savard on first pair. Ned and Hakanpaa will get more although I’d be fine not bringing Hakanpaa back. Connor would be sweet but no chance that gets him here. And we definitely should be protecting Nino.</div></div>

Why does everyone keep saying that Hakanpaa is going to get more? The guy is a career journeyman with less than a full season of NHL experience at the age of 29, he has proved absolutely nothing. If he's trying to demand a cent over $1M, send him packing and find a better replacement.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 24, 2021 at 7:36 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 21, 2021 at 4:55 p.m.
Thread: Makar
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>Makar is indeed a 10.2C, so 5 years doesn’t buy out any UFA years. Aho was not, so 5 years at least bought out one UFA year. I think Makar is in an awkward spot that frequently happens with 10.2C guys. Maybe they got he McAvoy route, and give him a 3 year deal, but I do think max term is a 10 million + deal. There jsut really aren’t many Norris candidates coming off an entry deal to compare him to.</div></div>

Yeah on max term I could see a $10 million+ AAV the more I look at it. But I think the important thing for Colorado in that case is the term, they're either gonna want a short bridge like McAvoy, or else 7+ years. I don't think there's any reason for the Avs to be wanting a 5 year term.

But if he's 10.2C he can't sign an offer sheet anyways so I guess this whole thing is pointless?
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 21, 2021 at 1:50 p.m.
Thread: Makar
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>There isn’t a ton of precedent for d men stepping into the league and being Norris caliber either. The last one that really sticks out is Doughty, who signed 7x7 when teh cap was 59.4 million. That’s 11.7% of the cap. Today’s dollars thats a smidge under 10. But wouldn’t you say we’ve seen a big of a re-set when it comes to the true superstars coming off their entry deals? McDavid got 12.5, Matthews got 11.6 for five years, and reportedly was asking for 13.8 on any 8 year deal. Marner for just under 11 for 6. Eichel got 10 right off his entry without really proving all that much. Rantanen got 9.25 without much of a fight. Chabot had a solid couple weeks and they threw 8x8 at him.

Think about that one. On the one hand, you’ve got Thomas Chabot. 8x8. You’re saying you think Makar lands at around 8-9 for a 7-8 year deal? Makar isn’t a smidge better than Chabot. He’s in a different category.</div></div>

I don't really disagree on the AAV, the more I look you might be right. I personally don't think Makar ends up quite with 8 figures, but you're right there has been a reset with young stars deals, and one of the contracts you mentioned was Rantanen so Colorado has already shown to be a part of the new market. The critical thing is the term. Most of those deals you mention were for max term, and at the very least all of them were buying multiple UFA years. The only slight exceptions were the Toronto deals - Matthews only has a single UFA year, but Marner again has two - and they've been universally panned instead of followed by other teams since. No team has signed a deal like that for RFA years only. I had 6 years in on the original proposal here, but with a little more looking I believe its actually a 5 year deal that would take Makar straight to UFA without buying any of those years, so I should edit that. There's no chance Colorado wants a 5 year term. Like the Canes with Aho, they'd undoubtedly match and move on, but they won't be high fiving about getting the minimum number of team controlled years possible under the CBA. That would sting a bit.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 21, 2021 at 12:59 p.m.
Thread: Makar
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>I hope you don’t place that bet with someone that will take your money. It’s a losing ticket.</div></div>

Sure thing, since there's so much precedent there. After all, the list of young D coming off ELC to sign a minimum year to go directly to UFA contract for $10 million includes..... Uh lets see, nobody? Yeah, nobody.

And that was even when the cap was rising instead of flat. But you think that's exactly what Colorado will be high fiving and rushing to do? If they're gonna agree to pay that kind of salary I guarantee they'll be buying out UFA years, teams don't willingly walk their young stars straight to UFA. No different than the Aho offer sheet a couple years ago, the Canes matched and were fine with the AAV. But there was a zero% chance they would have negotiated that contract on their own, they were pushing hard for 7-8 years of term.