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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 9, 2021 at 12:46 p.m.
Thread: If Dubas has a Brain
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aedoran</b></div><div>A brain and maybe a gun. Yzerman wouldn't make that trade unless he was forced to. NO ONE IS GIVING UP ANYTHING FOR 1 YR RIELLY.

I know a lot of Toronto fans know how free agency works but I keep seeing one of these a day. So for the Toronto fans that don't understand how free agency works and keep posting stuff like this should click on the link below for help.


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* No rebuilding team. It doesnt make sense for a team like Detroit to take on a UFA because he would walk, a team that could trade for and resign him absolutely would give up an asset for Reilly, he's bloody good at hockey.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 12, 2021 at 10:50 a.m.
Thread: 2021 offseason 1
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mm1010</b></div><div>Love all the wings fans on this site they expect blue chip prospect 1st rounder or top 6 player in any trade...
I think they will be lucky to get any 1sts this summer for their cap space and end up with a few 2,3,4 picks and b level prospects that have a couple years in the A</div></div>

There's often a fair bit of Hyperbole granted, but the same could be said for the number of trades that dump warm bodies with high contracts onto Detroit for Peanuts.
If we use the Staal trade from last year as a guide (aging but capable(ish) vet in position of need for Detroit - paid $3.2m, cap $5.75m Bonus pre-paid traded for the 45th pick, so almost exactly mid 2nd.
Realise real dollars likely mean more than cap dollars in these trades.
Koskinen at $4.5m salary and cap, position of need, not young, vaguely capable, one year remaining. Taking on his contract should return similar value, maybe <em>slightly</em> higher than Staal, so say a 2nd, or a 2nd and a 4th or 5th.

Kassian: somewhat of a plug, certainly did not produce offensively with some of the best players in the world, decent physical presence, but honestly...meh player. Not a position of need for Detroit. owed £3.5m per year real dollars and cap for the next three years. So honestly, value wise 1 year of Kassian would not be massively different from one year of Staal - he's signed for three more. We could be generous and say that there is a chance he improves his play in Detroit and isn't a total plug, so instead of saying 1 Year of Kassian is worth the same as 1 year of Staal i.e. he would require the equivalent of 3 2nd round picks to take on, lets say it's only 2 2nds.

That puts the rough value of taking on those negative assets as 3 2nd round picks. Proposing a trade with 3 2nd round picks is unwieldy, unpopular, and honestly, Detroit probably don't have that many players of interest in the 2nd round of drafts, so the natural response is to use a more valuable piece.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 12, 2021 at 10:30 a.m.
Thread: Makeover
The Detroit trade is a little silly. The two players hold little value in all honesty, theyre not old, but theyre not prospects anymore, and won't become impact pieces.
A 2nd from the oilers should be in the 50s, and a 3rd should be in the 80s.
2AHL players plus a late 2nd and late 3rd does not relieve you of Neal's contract imo.
The Staal trade got Detroit the 45th pick, for a player who played a position of need capably, for one year with his $1m signing bonus already paid and a real $salary of $3.2m.

The value for a Neal trade needs to therefore be <strong>more</strong> than double that as James Neal is paid only salary no bonuses, and is owed $5.75m real dollars in both of the remaining years of his deal. James Neal also does not play a position of need for Detroit, nor does he have the same leadership qualities as Staal. Assuming Edmonton finish in the same position as this year and therefore draft 20th, double the value of the Staal trade would be their 1st at 20th and a 3rd. Because the real dollars are higher the value would need to be better still. And that is assuming that the value of cap space hasnt increased since then, which is likely given our better understanding of the long term cap situation in the league.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 6, 2021 at 3:02 p.m.
Thread: If you really want to play power right away
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tyler_A10</b></div><div>Why? It’s Jack Eichel and I don’t see any untouchable pieces in this deal. They kept Seider, Zadina, the 6th pick and their first next year.</div></div>

The team trading for Eichel should be one on the upswing. Much as the narrative is that Detroit is exactly that, we aren't and shouldnt be. The team improved slightly on the historically bad season, but they looked better thanks to their division, and need 1-2 further years of drafting high before we think about coming out and making ambitious moves like this.
Similarly, I don't think Buffalo should do this, as they need to gain at least 2 premier pieces for trading away Jack Eichel, and as a Wings fan the only piece at that level is Raymond.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 5, 2021 at 7:28 a.m.
Thread: Toronto off-season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Billy12Bob</b></div><div>I don't agree. (on the RD that is)

We have Hronek and Seider, that's about it.
Stecher is UFA next year and it's highly uncertain if he stays and if so at what price.
Lindström is solid but will never be a huge point scorer.
Seth Barton is the only RD in Grand Rapids
LD prospects are bountiful but not RD.
Liljegren could turn out to he better than Hronek and if that happens then Hronek can be traded for a haul of assets, much more than Smith will ever get us in a trade.
Liljegren is waivers exempt for next year and can be used for call-ups without risk of losing him.
Smith is currently our 9th winger and next year Raymond and Berggren comes up.

This is a very good deal for Detroit.</div></div>

Tuomisto and Stetcher are also potential long term RD options.
Acquiring Liljegren as a reclaimation project for a prospect (ish) works, Svechnikov, Cholowski etc would be fine.
I would honestly keep Givani Smith over them because he is both reasonably skilled and could comfortably play in an NHL bottom 6, contribute some offence and reasonable defence, but he can also beat the piss out of people like Jamie Benn. We just don't really have anyone else that can do that in the pipeline.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 4, 2021 at 10:47 a.m.
Thread: number of controversial decisions
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pete</b></div><div>hi Seider53, the objective of this moves was:

a) to strengthen offense by adding Hyman and Jost
b) to help Rasmussen with his development as future C3 by surrounding him by proven players Erne and new acquisition Armia
c) to create more ice time for Zadina, Lindstrom by getting rid of Namestnikov, Stecher
d) to find a partner for Hronek - Zboril is young, Czech and defensively responsible
e) to move Panik which I dislike as a player

with these moves I hope that Detroit gained better 2nd &amp; 3rd forward line than it has been through the past season
next positive could be more spots young players, e.g. Seider - no minor league please</div></div>

Interesting. Personally doesn't fit with what I would do, but then im not a GM in the NHL either. I see the logic behind your moves, so it definitely makes for an interesting conversation.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 3, 2021 at 5:52 p.m.
Thread: Yzerplan - Give me your thoughts Red Wing fans
So my over-riding thought is that you're coming from a different angle than Yzerman (seemingly) and the fanbase want to go. Fundamentally Detroit's pipeline is deep, but is missing that high end franchise talent.
Their needs are therefore high end talent. If you look at their drafting last year you can kinda see this. Their depth picks are high risk, high reward. As such, the main need is time, either for a draft lottery win for Wright, Lambert, Bedard, Michkov etc, or for an already drafted player to emerge.
While waiting for time, you're not really going after big ticket UFAs, so there will be some dead cap, might as well get assets for taking on bad contracts, no reason to give up assets to get rid of bad contracts. Furthermore, this affords Yzerman the ability to be patient with roster moves, the Bertuzzi trade may be ok value wise, maybe a little low, but doesn't make sense for Detroit, if im trading with Pittsburgh, I want a 1st in 22 or 23, because they could easily fall off, be a lottery team, and the asset could become an elite talent.