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Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsOct. 9, 2018 at 3:29 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 24, 2018 at 3:42 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ducks11</b></div><div>So...the axe or venmo?

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lol yeah, yeah, yeah... still a bit more then the 2.5 you offered. I just thought it made more sense for him to get 4-5 million for 5 or 6 years rather then 2 years at 3.387 then in 2 years have to sign him to potentially much more money... it just seems most teams are moving away from the 1-3year bridge deals and giving players with more upside longer deals.
Personally if it were me I would always want players with big upside that are coming out of their ELC's locked in until their last year of being RFA's which usually hits around age 26 so when they are looking for their big money 6-8 year deals it will end when they are still young enough to be good players.
ELC at 18/19
Last year of RFA 25/26 (no risk of asset walking for nothing) (UFA eligible = 7 years of service to team or age 27, whatever comes first)
6-8 year deal would bring them to 32-34
The thing is I thought Montour was around 22, not 24, so I was expecting that 3-5 year deal at around 4-5 million which is what would be market value. Murray seems to have the same idea I guess with the RFA status.
In any case your were partially correct, about the term yes, but about as far off with the money as my low end guess.
Alas, a deal is a deal
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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 12, 2018 at 6:34 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jfalstaff</b></div><div>Here are the comparisons I was looking at. It's by PPG, and I include the ages, since Marner's NHL productivity is coming at an earlier age than a lot of his production peers.

Pastrnak — 123 pts in 173GP (18-20yo) = .71 PPG. Signs after expiration of RFA contract for 8.89% C.H., for 6 years.

Taylor Hall — 95 points in 126 GP (19-20yo) = .75 PPG. Signs after 2nd season for 10% of the cap, for 7 years.

Vladimir Tarasenko = 135 points in 179GP (21-23 yo) = .75 PPG. Signs after contract ELC expires for 10.27% of Cap, for 8 years.

Bobby Ryan — 131 points in 168 GP (20-22yo) = .78PPG. Signs after expiration of ELC and holding out into September for 8.59% of cap, for 5 years.

Eberle — 119 points in 147 GP (20-21 yo) = .81 PPG. Signs after 2nd season season at 10% of Cap, for 6 years,

Mitch goes here. 130 points in 159 games (19-20 yo) = .82 PPG.

Gaudreau — 142 pts in 159 GP (21-22yo) = .89 PPG. Signs after ELC expires and holding out into Oct. for 9.25% of Cap, for 6 years.

So... I don't know. If it's Gaudreau, who was underpaid, you're at $7.5m on a deal that doesn't eat up many UFA years. But Marner's doing it younger, like Eberle and Hall, and I don't see the Leafs wanting to go less than 7 years. Nor do I see them dragging this out into next fall, since they'll be ripe for an offer sheet.

So, I'm figuring an Eberle and Hall sorta deal -- 10% of an ~82.5m cap for 6/7 years, and coming up with $8.25m as a starting point. Then, what would a Tarasenko-length deal (eating UFA years) be for a guy who's been more productive and done it younger? About $9m, or about 11% of the Cap.</div></div>

I love Marner, I think he is a star, I think eventually a superstar.
9 million for 20 goals is too much. The league premium is goals.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 24, 2018 at 6:48 p.m.