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Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 11, 2021 at 3:35 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 6, 2021 at 10:28 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 5, 2021 at 3:40 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 2, 2021 at 3:39 p.m.
Thread: Hertl
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 2, 2021 at 3:24 p.m.
Thread: Hertl
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HockeyDanz</b></div><div>The key phrase in your reply..poor man's legit 1c..answers your own point. Since Hertl would actually be a 2c on NYR, your point is moot.




Answering a second reply here, the lines would slot as follows:

LaFreniere-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Hertl-Kravtsov
Kreider-Chytil-Gauthier
Blais-Goodrow-Reaves

(Rooney as 13th forward)

This stacks up with loads of skill, scoring and can be the hard-skating system that Gallant runs.

Adding Strome to San Jose:

(in case of Kane not being dismissed)

Kane-Couture-LaBanc
Sorenson-Strome-Meier

Not a terrible top six. Couture and Strome are adept passers, who could rack up assists with those wings. And in a potential 'dog' of a season, having another player who has been through a rebuild and is a good leader is never a bad thing.</div></div>

How does that make my point moot? That is such an off the cuff, cop-out comment! :tearsofjoy: Do you know what the definition of moot is? LOL

Your point was that a one for one straight up for Strome is fair...my point was that it wasn't, and I cited Hertl being a second tier 1C as the reason for that not being a fair deal. Are you trying to say Strome is even in the conversation for being a 1C? I am sure your answer is no, since your trade means you aren't even willing to keep him around as a 2C,...which makes my point...um...not moot. lol

There is a fair argument to be made that Mika Zibanijad isn't a legit top 1C either. His strength would be his offense, obviously...with the remainder of his game keeping him out of the conversation for top 1C.

I am going to concede that Hertl isn't as gifted offensively (which isn't a given), and he still finished with 6 less points than Mika..in 6 less games. In all other areas of the game, he is better than Mika.

That is not to say Mika is a bad player, far from it! It's to point out that Strome...straight up, for a player of Hertl's ability..is a silly offer. Again, San Jose can do better all over the league.

Please explain how that is a 'moot' point? I'll wait...
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 2, 2021 at 10:54 a.m.
Thread: Buffalo
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 2, 2021 at 10:26 a.m.
Thread: Hertl
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HockeyDanz</b></div><div>As usual, reckless banter attempts to override what IS a sound proposal.

A one-for-one Strome/Hertl deal honestly works. The need for a playmaking center with leadership skills is the Sharks, while a big shooting power forward is the need of the Rangers.

Each player satisfies the other team's need, without destroying the total roster makeup. The Rangers might be inclined to move Zach Jones in this deal to offer him a long-term NHL opportunity, rather than bury him for years (potentially) in Hartford of the AHL.

That said, including Julian Gauthier isn't necessary; utilizing him in the Ranger roster brings a balance to it.</div></div>

Not at all, this isn't enough for Hertl, San Jose could beat this offer across the league.

Hertl is a legit poor man's 1C, and while he isn't as good as Mika on offense, he is a better all around center. He's great on draws, plays a strong defensive game and is much more physical than any of the Rangers centers.

He did have a bad knee injury a season ago, but if he's fine, the Rangers should certainly be interested if he's being shopped.

What need would San Jose have for Strome? He's a downgrade in every area..he is not a direct replacement. For this, they'd be wiser to hold onto Hertl and move him at the deadline for a bigger haul.

If Strome is going in order to make the money work, makes more sense. Gauthier to be fair hasn't been given a lot of chances with Carolina or the Rangers, he has tools and it would be interesting to see how he did with playing time. Zach Jones is an interesting prospect...but it would take more.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 2, 2021 at 10:08 a.m.
Thread: Hertl
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>crankshaft</b></div><div>omg lol. Hertl is 2x the player Strome is and it ain't close.</div></div>

Agreed..

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NYRxLundqvist</b></div><div>With my last comment I honestly don’t think there is too much of a difference between hertl and strome and both have 1 year left so maybe it’s a 3 way deal where strome goes elsewhere and you get the return</div></div>

Tomas Hertl is one of the better players in the NHL that the average fan hasn't heard of. There is a question of health but if he has a clean bill, he's a significant upgrade of Strome. He is a much better two way center.. more size, better high end skills, MUCH better on draws..on and on, he is simply superior to Strome in every way.

The Rangers would do this deal in a blink, but I doubt San Jose would. Zach Jones is the only thing that would be of any interest to them.

If you're thinking they can flip Strome, then it would be wiser for the Rangers to trade Strome for blue chips to include in the deal to San Jose.

For a tiny bit of perspective..

Hertl .63 PPG
Strome .55 PPG

I think we would all agree that Strome has been on an uptick over the last three seasons...but..

Hertl .87 PPG over the last three seasons
Strome .74 PPG over the last three seasons

Yes, PPG is a very basic stat that lacks a ton of context, but when you start to dig into the underlying numbers...this is when Hertl really starts to blow Strome away. Yes, Hertle has been San Jose's top center, however they don't have Artemi Panarin...and I don't think you can have this discussion fairly while leaving out the "Panarin effect".

He is a marked improvement over Strome, and while both players will be due a raise soon...neither will be approaching Eichel's price tag. If the Rangers can swing a deal for him that doesn't further subtract from their projected lineup this season, they should get it done!
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 26, 2020 at 10:38 a.m.
Thread: MAGA SQUAD