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Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 4, 2019 at 10:45 a.m.
Thread: Legitimate Hall trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sagecoll</b></div><div>But that's obviously super arbitrary and unrealistic. Stone was amongst 8 top 6 F's traded last year. There's maybe 3-4 on the market this year, Hall included.

I mean I can easily make the argument that Hall should get a lot more in return than Rick Nash got, which was a 1st + recent 2nd rounder + middle 6 40 pt player + cheap cap dump.

Just that compensation projected on a couple teams you listed here:

Edmonton: 1st + Lavoie + Pujljujarvi + Gagner

Carolina: 1st + Rees + Dzingel

Nashville: 1st + Afanasyev + Bonino


Again...Hall should be getting a good bit MORE than that...</div></div>

I'm not looking at top 6 forwards. I am looking at true top line wingers. This is not about what SHOULD happen but what probably will. I don't see 1st rounders moving unless it's for players with term or they are going to be in the high 20s. Yes Stone was an underpay but he is a better and younger player than Hall without the injury history and a contract extension negotiated ahead of time.

The Nash trade includes 3 seasons of Belesky as a cap dump. I'd argue that it is not comparable because of that
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 4, 2019 at 10:36 a.m.
Thread: Legitimate Hall trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MG1986</b></div><div>The only reason he's been "put on the market" now is so that the Devils can try and get a bidding war going. I'd agree with the description, that I don't think Hall signs an extension in season, unless he really liked the team he was going to, and the new contract numbers were that enticing. The 2 biggest players here might be the Islanders and Avalanche, for different reasons, but I'd say the underdog in all this has to be Arizona. The team is doing incredibly well, all things considered, and I could see them willing to unload a bunch of assets (other than Barret Hayton) to acquire 5-6 months of Taylor Hall.</div></div>

I didn't even think of Arizona but could absolutely see that trade. It would be a big boost for them on the ice and off
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 4, 2019 at 10:36 a.m.
Thread: Legitimate Hall trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Smitty426</b></div><div>These are all great points.
Also I think Hall gets moved to a team with the same idea as Stone
He's looking to win now, he will be paid handsomely. I really don't see him wringing out each last penny while trying to land on a multi yr contender.
His agent will say otherwise!
The team that gets him in this situation believes that puts them over and will be willing to give up some future for immediate success</div></div>

His agent is Darren Ferris (same as Marner's) who historically pushes his clients to go to free agency and specifically would with Hall seeing what Panarin got last year. I also could see Hall being interested in calling his shot with how being drafted by the Oilers and traded to the Devils has worked out (1 playoff appearance)
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 4, 2019 at 10:29 a.m.
Thread: Legitimate Hall trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockeyguy77</b></div><div>To be completely honest, these are all bad and undervalue Hall. Hall is the best forward rental available and no matter what a 2020 1st round pick along with A &amp; B prospects are going to New Jersey without taking a bad contract. Hall will most likely be retained a bit because not a lot of playoff teams can take a 6M cap hit even with deadline cap space. With that being said, the team that gets him will most likely overpay for him quite a bit. NJD will go for the highest bidder and there will be lots of bids.</div></div>

2 1st round picks got traded last year. WPG moved theirs for Hayes (along with a 4th and Lemieux, an overpay but Hayes is also a center) and BUF sent SJ's to ANA with Guhle for Montour. The 2020 draft is better than the 2019 draft. Teams aren't going to be throwing out 1sts. Hall is not even a point per game player this year. He has had injury troubles. He has the MVP season 2 years ago and then a lot of injury shortened years. He's only been better than a PPG in 4 out of his 10 seasons. 2 of those he only played 33 (18-19) and 45 (12-13 lockout year)
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 12, 2019 at 9:14 a.m.
Thread: Hall trade MON plus other TDL trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BlastnyFromThePastny</b></div><div>I couldn't say Tatar was a throw-in. He is a perennial 20 goal scorer, he did have a lower value while struggling on Vegas, but he had more evidence of being a decent 2nd line winger than a declining forward. As of now he has shown he can be Top 6 (rather than a middle 6) forward. Suzuki (A prospect) &gt; Poehling/Brook (A- prospects) &gt; Ylonen (B+ prospect arguably). For Hall I did the reverse of the Stone trade. Skimped on the quality of the prospect and increased the value in draft picks.

The Canadiens have a lot of prospects to develop and even still have a good amount of draft picks so they can afford to trade some futures for immediate help. They just need to upgrade Kulak on D to someone like Zadorov or Klefbom and they could be pretty good right now rather than middling the pack.

I think any team trading for Hall is not trading for a rental, it's for an extension. There really is no point trading for him as a rental. Rental players should be middle 6 forwards, and bottom 4 Dmen. If you're picking up a top line forward or a top pairing Dman and not re-signing them, you're likely losing too much for a rental. It just doesn't seem like a prudent move.</div></div>

NJ needs to be building for the future. Adding a decent player today to lower the return tomorrow isn't very productive for them. And I also don't know if Hall is going to be anything other than a rental. He seems pretty set on at least seeing what's out there
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