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TanSor

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Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 3:45 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 6:22 p.m.
Thread: Ranger Rumor
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GM69</b></div><div>I mean.. rangers still don't consider because they are incredibly weak at center. Also, where are you getting your stats from?

From 18-19 season to current (past three seasons plus this year so far) Strome has 154 points in 221 games and Fiala has 145 points in 215. Its a .696 point per game for Strome and a .674 for Fiala. And Fiala's in the doghouse? He is averaging over 18 minutes per game this season.


Rangers would be insane to do this trade. As I mentioned, they are weak at center but are also giving up a 1st round pick on top of it for a player that has a similar impact but plays a less important position. Stupid move. Yeah i get that Fiala is an RFA but just like Strome, rangers won't have the money to resign him next season.</div></div>

Hockey Reference. Used stats from 19-20 season to this season. I'm not a fan of points per game since the minutes can differ greatly between players.

I'm not trying to make the argument that this makes sense for the Rangers because it doesn't. But Fiala is the better player.

It's not the minutes he's playing, it's who he is playing with. Fiala has actually been playing better than Kaprizov (in my opinion), but Kaprizov gets the favoritism when it comes to linemates. Fiala has been playing mostly with Gaudreau, Rask, Eriksosn Ek, and Foligno and those guys aren't exactly the most skilled offensively. Fiala has also been taken off the power play and when he's your second best offensive player it's pretty obvious he's in the doghouse. There has also been some <a href="https://theathletic.com/2967984/2021/11/20/jared-spurgeon-injured-in-loss-to-florida-and-its-worth-paying-attention-to-the-brewing-kevin-fiala-situation/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">public tension</a> lately between Fiala and Evason.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 24 at 12:55 p.m.
Forum: Minnesota WildNov. 24 at 12:54 a.m.
Thread: JT Miller
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Knuckl3s</b></div><div>Hi, I'm a Canucks fan. Now you might think I'm biased, but I can tell you with utmost confidence that Miller is more valuable and a better player than Fiala, so a one for one shouldn't cut it. I came here to suggest what the Wild could potentially add as part of a package surrounding Fiala. Here's what I came up with

a 2nd round pick

Jordan Greenway

Frederick Gaudreau + 3rd round pick

Those are three package additions I came up with. I take it both Ryan Hartman and Nico Sturm are both untouchables for the Wild at this time. Those were the only other two forwards that I was interested in that I thought could maybe fit in with Fiala, but I didn't include them just in case</div></div>

No disagreement here, Miller is worth more and the Wild would be adding in a trade. I hope a 1 for 1 wasn't implied in my post, I worded the poll specifically because of that.

I think all of those seem pretty reasonable. I have been pleasantly surprised by Gaudreau and he fits nicely into our bottom 6, so I'd definitely prefer the top two options. Thing with Greenway is I don't think the Canucks could re-sign both Greenway and Fiala, so I think it would almost have to be the 2nd round pick as the add from Vancouver's perspective.

Ultimately, I guess I'm a little unsure why Vancouver would go for a trade like this. Fiala is a great player, don't get me wrong, he's also a bit younger and comes with more team control, but I think the Canucks are better off either using Miller to get an established top 4 RHD that can anchor their top pairing or try to get picks and prospects. Carolina makes more sense to me as a trading partner (if they're interested) since they've got a lot of quality blue-liners and probably one of the best prospect pools in the league.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 23 at 8:45 p.m.
Thread: Ranger Rumor
Forum: Minnesota WildNov. 23 at 4:39 p.m.
Thread: JT Miller
The rumor mill has been churning in full force the past week. Russo posted <a href="https://theathletic.com/2961037/2021/11/17/shine-of-successful-road-trip-wears-off-as-wild-lose-to-sharks-at-home/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">this gamer</a> following the Sharks loss last week and implicated Miller as a trade target. Fast forward to this past weekend and tension <a href="https://theathletic.com/2967984/2021/11/20/jared-spurgeon-injured-in-loss-to-florida-and-its-worth-paying-attention-to-the-brewing-kevin-fiala-situation/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">seems to be building</a> between Fiala and Dean. Yesterday, <a href="https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/canuck-j-t-millers-time-might-be-on-the-line-amid-wild-interest?utm_term=Autofeed&amp;utm_medium=Social&amp;utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1637629674" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">this article</a> surfaced indicating Guerin has made a call to Vancouver regarding JT Miller and the author speculated that Fiala could be the main piece in a Miller trade. Today, <a href="https://theathletic.com/2965506/2021/11/23/canucks-trade-value-tiers-2021-ranking-every-player-by-market-value/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">this article</a> is hot off the press and indicates one team that has been monitoring Miller and, you guessed it, it's the Wild.


This Fiala+ for Miller framework seems more like two reporters connecting dots, but here's what we know:
1. Fiala is unhappy. This is pretty obvious based on his recent comments, his reported ask for "Kaprizov money" during contract extension talks this past summer, and the aforementioned tension with Dean.
2. Guerin is interested in Miller
3. If we want Miller, we probably have to move Fiala in order to fit him into our cap next year. At the very least we will need to move out a bigger contract either in a trade for Miller and if not, then this offseason.


Player for player, Miller is the better asset as he can play center (although it's unclear whether or not he has played it for long stints, based off what I've read and heard he is mainly a winger), he has higher point totals in both the regular and post-season, and he players a grittier game. The nice thing about both players is that their stats on their current teams come from pretty similar sample sizes.

Miller has played his best hockey in Vancouver:
Regular season: 141 gp, 49 goals, 137 points, 2910 TOI, 2.82 p/60, 260 hits
Playoffs: 17 gp, 6 goals, 19 points, 350 TOI, 3.26 p/60, 40 hits

Fiala has played his best hockey in Minnesota:
Regular season: 151 gp, 49 goals, 113 points, 2490 TOI, 2.72 p/60, 79 hits
Playoffs: 11 gp, 4 goals, 6 points, 191 TOI, 1.88 p/60, 27 hits

The tl;dr version is that Miller has been a little better in the regular season and a lot better in the postseason.

What does everyone think? Are you in favor of adding Miller?