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Feb 4, 2016
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>1- At the very least, Larsson should be considered 1.2M they'd have to pay and/or account for on the cap. As such, I noted that adding Larsson subtracts from the offer, which is obviously true. He's wretched and all the Ducks fans here are saying he's pure trash. Larsson would be of no good use whatsoever, and would have been of no good use last season.
2- Steel is nearly 24 now, he is no longer a prospect. He's just a average-to-subpar 3C who is small and bordering on slow. And has one ELC year left, not a great boon or anything.
3- Scandella has strength, skates well and stands up the line. He moves the puck reasonably safely and understands the system already. Cap hit or not, he's obviously useful and it's not hard to see.
4- The cap flexibility is a good thing, but would have been far more useful a few weeks ago. It does absolutely nothing to help us actually win games now (or, quite possibly, in the future). This is not how the team operates. If there was another squad strengthening move to run behind it, sure. As is, I'd definitely find a better solution. This is not the only way to gain some cap flexibility.</div></div>
Would throwing in a pick or even another depth d-man sweeten the pot? I feel like there's a deal to be made here. Also, I feel like your underestimating Steel a bit. I think, as Ducks fans, our expectations went a little crazy after his post-draft year in the Dub when he put up insane numbers so seeing his progression being where it is has felt underwhelming. But he's a good player and I think he might even flourish in another system. I fear he realizes his true potential with another team a la William Karlsson but I'm willing to risk that to maximize his value now instead of watching him run into the ground the someone like Peter Holland did (a player, thankfully, Bob Murray knew to get good value back before it was too late).
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lenny7</b></div><div>" I understand there's value in keeping guys like Lindholm but teams that full on tear down rather than do a half ass rebuild always come out better."
Ask Buffalo about that...From 2013-2018, the Sabres drafted Dahlin, Mittlestadt, Nylander, Eichel, Reinhart, Ristolainen, all within the first 8 picks of the draft. Add to that Cozens, Quinn and Power. You can throw the Coyotes into a similar boat, but they've also managed to f*ck themselves a bunch of other times. The Devils have been rebuilding since 2012, with 1 playoff appearance, and a whole lot of early 1st round picks to show for it (They'll be better this year though!).
Are there teams that come out better? Absolutely. But people seem to forget that there's very little guarantee that ripping everything apart will somehow magically guarantee that you're back to being a contender in a few years.
I don't think your opinion is at all unpopular...Should they have made a bigger push to move Manson/Rakell? Yeah, of course...but if the return wasn't there, there's not a ton of point in just moving them to move them, right? Honestly, someone at the deadline probably gives up a Foligno haul for Rakell if he's anywhere close to be decent. Put him with Zegras and Comtois and rak (see what I did there?) him up some points. Manson? I have a hard time believing that Winnipeg had their 1st on the table. Looking at the Risto return in Buffalo-If there was anything close to that, then it was a huge bogey, but yeah, I don't see it. Maybe something this deadline, maybe not. If it's not there though, don't force it! Manson will eat the tough minutes that ease Drysdale into the lineup, since Anaheim kind of put themselves into a situation where they either have to play him or send him back to the OHL (Which wouldn't make a ton of sense).
I don't know...if the deals were there then the team absolutely should have thought long and hard about them, I just don't really think they were anywhere close. With Eakins' $hit system sucking the life out of the offence, and making the team look like they're playing zone D in their own end, everybody's trade value was blown apart after last year.</div></div>
I'd go a bit further, totally tear downs never work. Ever. You laid out excellent examples as to why it's so perilous to go that route. So many people just look at a bad team that has been struggling for several seasons and automatically go, "Oof, they suck. Blow up the team!" As if that that's a tried-and-true method for success when it's demonstrably not.
Yes, this team sucks. Yes, we're probably going to suck again (though more moves are coming, there's no way we're keeping all three of Steel, Lundestrom and Larsson. Maybe throw Guhle in there too) but we still need to ice a team that LOOKS like they're trying to get better. And we really should be this bad. We have a decent amount of talent and AT SOME POINT these young players, not named Comtois, SHOULD finally ascend into the players we drafted them to be. I feel like I've said this each summer for the last four years, but if we can stay healthy and turn Steel, Larsson and a pick into a quality d-man, this team should be competitive.
At the very least, we're no in rush to ship off guys like Lindholm, Manson and Rakell just for futures. Because we're either going to actually be pretty good this year and we'll need them or we'll suck again, which is what we'll do if we trade them away now so why not hold onto them until at least the deadline? If this team was going to get blown up it would have happened two weeks ago. There's still a tweak or two to go (or at least there better be Murph. we have way too many first rounders populating our bottom-6, trade some of them and get some effing value for them!) but this is our squad.
I actually think this is the direction we should take this summer. I don't think we will but I say actually try to add some effing talent with the cap space we can accumulate. I wouldn't move Cam, I'd rather try to move Silvy to free up that money. But Murph can free up some cap space I say absolutely go after guys like Hall and Landeskog (I prefer Nugent-Hopkins for that center spot). Comtois-Zegras-Terry should make a great second line next year. Hall-RNH-Rakell could be a killer first line. I want to believe we can fashion a quality third line out of Volkov, Steel, Lundestrom, Jones and a healthy Milano but that's a big ask. Grant and De-lo are as dependable fourth-liners as you can ask for, though I'm sure the pre-adolescents around here will disagree. Honestly, what harm is there in subtracting Rico, Silvy and potentially Shatty and replacing them with quality free agents? That wouldn't change anything about building for the future since whatever kids we're going to pick up won't be ready until these players' contract are at least halfway towards competition.
But as others have pointed out this won't happen because free agents don't sign here. This this assumption that Murray simply doesn't go after free agents but there's no way that's true. The probable truth is free agents simply don't want to come here. Be it the high state taxes, the relatively non-existent fanbase, the cost of living in Orange County, the state of the team itself, the crappy ice at Honda Center, who knows? But they don't, that's for sure. I'd love for the Samueli's to give Bob the green light to overpay to get them, especially if it's on shorter terms. I'm not holding my breath though.