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Forum: NHL10 hours ago
Thread: 2021-2022 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #11 - Will Lamoriello ever announce Kadri's signing?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Devil</b></div><div>Here are the conditions associated with the first-round selection acquired by Montreal:

1. In the event Calgary's own 2024 first (1st) round choice is selection 20-32 (inclusive) (following the determination of the 2024 NHL Draft lottery results), then Montreal shall have the option, exercisable until 48 hours prior to the start of the 2024 NHL draft, to exchange the conditional 2025 or 2026 first round choice to become Calgary's own 2024 first (1st) round choice); or,

If Florida's 2025 First (1st) Round Choice Transfers to Calgary (pursuant to the conditions on an earlier trade)

2. In the event the conditions to trigger Montreal's option as noted in #1 above does not occur, or Montreal declines to exercise this option, the following conditions shall prevail:

A) If both Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice and Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice (previously acquired by Calgary) are not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), then Montreal shall receive the earlier of the two (2) stated choices; or,
B) If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is a top-10 selection and Florida's 2025 first round selection (previously acquired by Calgary) is outside of the top-10 selections (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice).
If Florida's 2025 First Round Choice DOES NOT Transfer to Calgary (pursuant to the conditions on an earlier trade)

3. In the event the conditions to trigger Montreal's option as noted in #1 above does not occur, or Montreal declines to exercise this option, the following conditions shall prevail:

A. If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice, and additionally,

1) If Florida's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results); and,
2) Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice has been transferred to another NHL Club; and,
3) Florida's 2025 first round draft position is better than Calgary's 2025 first round draft position; then Calgary will transfer their own 2025 fourth round choice to Montreal.
B. If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is a top-10 selection (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Calgary's 2025 first (1st) round choice, subject to the following condition below:

1) In the event Calgary's 2025 first (1st) round choice is the first (1st) selection overall in the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Calgary will retain its own 2025 first (1st) round choice and Montreal shall instead receive Calgary's own 2025 third (3rd) round choice and a conditional 2026 first (1st) round choice. Montreal shall receive the better of Calgary's 2026 first (1st) round choice or Florida's 2026 first (1st) round choice (following the determination of the 2026 NHL Draft lottery results) (previously conditionally acquired by Calgary).

Copied from Habs website</div></div>

I challenge everyone to memorize this doozy :tearsofjoy
Forum: NHL13 hours ago
Thread: 2021-2022 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #11 - Will Lamoriello ever announce Kadri's signing?
I know my team is rudderless - but man what is going on in Long Island. Like memes aside we all know Lou and Trotz have squandered a lot of the opportunities the Isles had.

But now it’s just confusing. To compare - SJS; despite being a sinking ship - has a more clear path than we did draft day and prior. Arizona and Chicago want to go 0-83 somehow. Vancouver and the Sens are trying to get to the playoffs. Anaheim and Columbus despite having some odd moves have a path to compete. Seattle and Detroit aim to be relevant. Buffalo and the Devils have high hopes to surprise people.

I mean even the more head scratching teams have an idea. But the Isles are lost: Lou lucked into Raty but other than Aatu; the Isles prospect pool is WEAK. Their roster isn’t great and they’ve made no attempt to improve and went from a team with 4+ transactions in the works to none happening, and ALL the assumptions of said moves revolving around some UFA signings have simmered down. Maybe they’re signing ERod idk, but the Isles have literally done nothing. SJS confusing but trying to tank/ be a better team. They made quality moves. Detroit may not have praise on all their moves but they’re trying to be good.

Lou is just running it back with the same team - that has no soul or identity and no direction. It’s pretty ugly imo. Philly and the Isles are the teams that both are competing with Chicago for being the worst team on and off the ice. Arizona at least has a decent frame work (but they’re draft selections have me skeptical).
Forum: NHL17 hours ago
Thread: Jack Hughes or Elias Pettersson
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wooo! Our projection cards for the 2022-2023 season are done! Finally! We'll try to put them on our Patreon as soon as possible. Hopefully tomorrow at the latest. <a href="https://t.co/mfBP3sWP60" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">pic.twitter.com/mfBP3sWP60</a></p>— Andy &amp; Rono (@ARHockeyStats) <a href="https://twitter.com/ARHockeyStats/status/1560244327753940992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">August 18, 2022</a></blockquote>



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Our model believes that Elias Pettersson will have bounce-back season and will be legit number one center again in the next season. Would be great for the Canucks! <a href="https://t.co/epMoBoSFiz" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://t.co/epMoBoSFiz</a> <a href="https://t.co/ahJxTUDfTf" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">pic.twitter.com/ahJxTUDfTf</a></p>— Andy &amp; Rono (@ARHockeyStats) <a href="https://twitter.com/ARHockeyStats/status/1560272638727307269?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">August 18, 2022</a></blockquote>

Forum: NHLYesterday at 11:39 p.m.
Thread: 2021-2022 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #11 - Will Lamoriello ever announce Kadri's signing?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Alfie11</b></div><div>Trading him in 2023 doesn’t help them tank for Bedard. And they’re less likely to get a 2023 1st next summer, when teams see where they slot, and decide there’s a guy they really like there, which I’d imagine most of them will based on the strength of the class lol. And Arizona HAS to get a 2023 1st somehow (even if it’s top 10 or 16 protected, the chance at a 2023 1st is worth more than a 2024 1st + a 2nd imo, that’s how strong this draft is).</div></div>

😂 with or without Chychrun, this will be the worst team in the NHL next year.

Schmaltz Boyd Keller
Crouse Hayton McBain
Ritchie Smith Kassian
Ladd Bjugstad Fischer

Ghost Mayo
Chychrun Stecher
Nemeth Brown

Vejmelka
Prosvetov
Forum: NHL18 hours ago
Thread: Jack Hughes or Elias Pettersson
Interesting poll.

My short answer to the question of who is the better player:

It's Jack Hughes in my opinion.

My long answer to the question is based on 3 parts.

1. Jack Hughes' career trajectory is and has been upwards throughout his career. We're talking about a 21-year old center who is widely considered as a top15 center in the league already, and one potentially able to reach the top5. Some people have shown here that aside from his rookie year, his offensive contribution is the same or better as MacKinnon had at the same stage of his career.

This has not been the case with Elias Pettersson. Pettersson's two first years in the league were absolutely amazing, but after that he hasn't been able to reach the same level. There's a plethora of reasons for this starting from covid and different injury challenges, but ultimately Pettersson's career trajectory is not looking similar. He's trending downwards from his rookie year. Sure, he's still relatively young too, being 24 at the season start, and can and probably will bounce back, which he partly did last year at the end of it. Still, before his injury Hughes was easily the top performer in New Jersey, meanwhile Pettersson, who is supposed to be Vancouver's clear cut 1C, ultimately ended up trailing by 30 points to their 2C.

2. Jack Hughes' two way game is pretty underrated actually. This was the best shown during 2020-21 season where he started to find his game in the league, as shown by the charts put under there, and 2021-22 when he took the step forward in terms of offensive contribution, by no means he turned bad defensively. Some people have claimed here Pettersson to contribute more defensively, but at least based on evolving-hockey's model this is not the correct take. Yes, VAN by choice have decided to use Pettersson as a penalty killer, but that doesn't automatically mean he's more adept in defending. It just means that they either don't have a better guy for the role, or that their PK is built in an aggressive way that could use having skilled guys in there. Whatever their thought process were, it hasn't really produced results, given that Vancouver's PK% of 77.1 was the fourth worst league-wide last year.

<img class="for_img" src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZvoy0iXEAIjSvK?format=png&amp;name=medium" alt="FZvoy0iXEAIjSvK?format=png&amp;name=medium">

<img class="for_img" src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZvo3DaXEAElP7U?format=png&amp;name=medium" alt="FZvo3DaXEAElP7U?format=png&amp;name=medium">

3. Quality of team mates. Hughes' immensely good production can also be put to a different light when we look at how the teams have managed. Vancouver has been a fringe playoff team pretty much throughout the time Pettersson has been a part of the team. New Jersey has been a bottom-5 team smack dab in the middle of a rebuild, and still Hughes puts up statistically better results. He also makes players around him better - Jesper Bratt has turned into a bonafide top-6 winger that could challenge to the top line in almost any team in the league. Sharangovich has turned to a solid 2nd line guy as well playing with the guy. Pettersson does play in a better team, and should he be considered better player he should get better results.

Overall, even though of the two I do prefer Hughes, there's nothing to take away from the fact that as a 23, soon to be 24 year old Pettersson has left a mark that is not easy to just ignore. Before the covid break all the things said earlier about Hughes could've easily been applied to Pettersson, other than him having a bad rookie year, because Pettersson's rookie year was absolutely stellar. Pettersson could be, and probably is, a franchise worthy player in his own right, and we have seen glimpses of this. Still, for the question of who I think is better right now, I would have to choose Jack Hughes.
Forum: NHLYesterday at 7:59 p.m.
Forum: NHL SigningsTue. at 4:13 p.m.
Thread: The top 50 most commonly signed 2023 UFAs by ACGMs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>This had a lineup included. It got buried immediately.

Last one got deleted altogether.

There is a trend of my posts get buried or deleted. ACGM teams too. There are two teams I just won’t mock trades too since their fanbases include overzealous moderators that delete what they don’t like.

If people are against seeing this sort of content, they should just say so.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>I have redacted most of the data from this post in order to comply with the standards of the CapFriendly Content Approval Commissariat. I apologize to any users that may have witnessed any original information or useful content. Please ignore and return to declining the trades you declined yesterday.</div></div>

I did a quick check and none of your rosters are being reported: this shouldn't be happening if you're including a roster composed of free agents.

We're not here to be fun police. I'll pass on your frustrations to the team.

Not sure what the point of redacting everything is except to be petty. I'd rather see you get as much traffic to this post as possible.
Forum: NHLYesterday at 9:00 a.m.
Thread: Analytics are ruining your brains
Where analytics can be used very effectively is when they align with a coach/scout's opinion about a player and they can now provide objective measurement for the coach to manage the players perofrmance. Just like in any industry/organization, using objective criteria helps both parties focus on the solution and not the "feelings".

A) Coach Bednar to Andre Burakovsky: "C'mon Burky, you're turning the puck over too much in the neutral zone, you need to fix that. Extra practice time for you big guy".
B) Coach Bednar to Andre Burakovsky: "We've analyzed the neutral zone possession numbers and you rank last on the forwards at maintaining possession in the neutral zone and have the lowest giveaway/takeaway ratio; the video coaches have a film package to review with you and then we'll hit the ice and practice it".

I know that's not how it really goes; but you get the idea.

The thing about 3rd party analytics that we all get to see and use; we don't know what the coaches were expecting that player to do in each situation. This is a huge variable. What if a 3rd line player is fully expected to just dump it in as soon as he hits the red line. He does. Job done. But in the analytics his possession numbers aren't going to look too good; will his zone entry without possession be counted in any positive way?

I think these are big issues that don't get acknowledged enough by the public analytics community and so it creates the rift that traditional hockey fans, former players/coaches have about the conversation around analytics. It's not about the analytics attempt; just the way it gets broadcasted/used.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 11:10 a.m.
Thread: H O T D O G S Z N
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tintin</b></div><div>There'd be some risk for the Devils here but I can see the trade working out really well for the Devils.
Personally I'm fond of the idea of getting a cost controlled asset for an expiring contract, especially if the return is a play driving top six winger.



You make a good point on lacking depth at LHD if moving Graves out, but it may not be that big an issue at all.
Suppose this trade is done no earlier than the 2023 TDL (not sure if the exact date is released yet so let's go with last year's date, March 21st) the Devils would have 12 games remaining in the regular season.

If we'd be looking at keeping Hughes ELC-slide (I think we should) then the Devils would have LHD exposure for (12 - 9 =) 3 games where the LHD would have to be Siegenthaler - Smith - Bahl / Walsh / Okhotiuk.
But after those three games you'd just have Hughes stepping right into the vacancy left by Graves.
I don't know about you but I'd be very confident that Luke Hughes would be fully ready for top 4 responsibilities by late March 2023.

If you could turn Graves into Puljujärvi, with Hughes stepping into the lineup no more than 10-11 days later, I say the Devils should 100% do it.</div></div>

Hughes cannot ELC slide if he signs after December 31st of this year
Forum: NHL SigningsAug. 5 at 8:34 a.m.
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