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Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 16 at 1:29 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 15 at 6:59 p.m.
Thread: Major sell off to retool to go strong in 2024-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DefenseFirst</b></div><div>1. The value is too good for them to turn this down. When a team offers a gift, other GMs take it.
2. He’s 5th among forwards in short handed time for boston. He’s two seconds behind marchand. It’s not like the bruins lock in on four PK forwards.
3. It does show
4. I don’t know what IPP is, nor do I have any desire to. Watch. It’s very clear. You can’t understand hockey looking at spread sheets.</div></div>

1. This is a bad deal for Edmonton. The value is bad. Foegele provides 90% of the scoring DeBrusk does while doing some other things better (physicality, defense). Holloway is a top prospect.
2. Meh. So he can PK. That's what minimum wage 4th liners are for.
3. Prove it. I provided numbers, you got nothing.
4. The percentage of points a player gets compared to how many goals he's on the ice for. Shows how involved he is in creating offense or if he's riding coattails. DeBrusk is riding coattails.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 15 at 5:05 p.m.
Thread: Major sell off to retool to go strong in 2024-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DefenseFirst</b></div><div>Where he fits in in edmonton on the PP doesn’t affect his value. There are 30 other teams in the league.</div></div>
Um, when we're discussing a trade to Edmonton, it's 100% relevant. They aren't going to pay for something they don't need, it's as simple as that. Therefore they reject the trade offer, whether you think it's FMV or not.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DefenseFirst</b></div><div>He’s #2 in shorthanded TOI among bruins wingers, two whole seconds behind marchand. </div></div>
There's your issue. Forwards don't play "wing" when shorthanded, so only comparing him to other wingers doesn't give you an accurate picture if his usage.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DefenseFirst</b></div><div>He’s so much better than Foegele. Watching one shift would tell ya that.</div></div>
If he was so much better it would show in his results. It doesn't. Particularly concerning is his super low IPP at 5v5. He's clearly a complimentary piece who relies on others around him to create chances and drive play.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 15 at 4:12 p.m.
Thread: Major sell off to retool to go strong in 2024-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DefenseFirst</b></div><div>Jake debrusk is really good at powerplay and penalty kill. Putting him and Foegele in the same paragraph is an injustice.</div></div>
He's wouldn't be getting 1st unit time in Edmonton and the 2nd unit doesn't play much, so that has limited appeal for the Oilers.

He's also not a primary or secondary option for the PK in Boston, there are 5 forwards with greater TOI on the PK.

He'd be 2rd line LW in Edmonton with a limited special teams role, similar usage to Foegele. Therefore it makes perfect sense to compare them.

He might well be a slight upgrade and in this scenario saves the Oilers $750k for one year, but that's not worth sending Dylan Holloway the other way. (Actually I don't think it would save them that much as they'd have to replace Holloway on next year's roster and that would likely cost more than Holloway's ELC).
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 15 at 10:13 a.m.
Thread: 2023-24 Oilers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WhoAmI</b></div><div>Just because Ceci is playing the 3rd hardest minutes in the league does not mean he's good enough to be playing those minutes, and playing hard minutes does not dictate market value. Playing well does. He's not playing well, despite the minutes. Edmonton would be lucky to trade him without taking any salary dump back.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TraderJoes</b></div><div>That's a ridiculous take. Ceci's on ice SA/60 and GA/60 are similar to Kulak's despite the latter getting sheltered from the opposition's best players. That has value whether you recognize it or not.</div></div>

Case in point: in last night's game at 5v5 Ceci played

8:58 v Stützle
8:46 v Batherson
7:58 v Tkachuk
5:06 v Debrincat
4:37 v Giroux

Kulak played

1:15 v Stützle
1:39 v Batherson
1:18 v Tkachuk
2:10 v Debrincat
1:49 v Giroux

Kulak's 79% xGF% seems more impressive than Ceci's 64% on the surface, but when you consider their competition it's obvious who is the more valuable player.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 14 at 4:53 p.m.