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Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 7 at 11:19 p.m.
Thread: After the dust
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Celtics21</b></div><div>Your defense is probably going to be lacking to make a true playoff run.

I think you got what you could get.

The Lindholm deal looks like a net positive especially if you can rebuild Kuzmenko’s value.

The Tanev deal was about what you could expect. A prospect you like plus a 2nd

The Hanifin deal became a pure rental cost because he was leveraging his want. As soon as Boston shifted to acquiring Lindholm, I think the return was kind of inevitable.

At what point do you think Poirier will be ready to come up?</div></div>

I don't imagine they're going to rush Poirier in any sense given he's coming off of a pretty serious injury. Honestly, he's been a little prone to it as well so I don't think he's on track for the NHL as others might think. Conny may be content with running with the core we got and see who really steps up. A long playoff run is a very lofty goal but this team is demonstrating that they can find ways to get a win which is as much as you really want from any team.

In a lot of ways, the pressure is off. We can't be a top, cup contender. We can't lose enough to secure a top 3 draft pick. We still have the capacity to win games and the players we brought in really want to be here. And, again, I have to highlight the fact that everyone that was moved out didn't really see a future for themselves here, with the exception for Tanev.

This is as close to "retooling on the fly" as you can come.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 30, 2023 at 12:58 a.m.
Thread: Some post draft moves to make
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pens1991</b></div><div>that was partial joke on my end given what they got for Toffoli. However, i'm not giving POJ and Pickering AND a first for hanifin. He is also apparently being selective per a source close to him that was allowed to talk. Claimed pens are one of the teams he's willing to waive or and extend with.</div></div>

Definitely a "partial" joke on the Toffoli front and even then I'd give you a 1.5 out of 5 for it. That was the best you could get for an aging winger these days and, obviously, has NO bearing on a trade for a defenseman, so keep your day job.

Many of your peers have been offering a similar package for Hanifin given he's in his prime and a perfect piece to fill a major gap in your blueline. You can't acquire a top pairing defenseman without giving up something and there are other teams in the hunt for Hanifin.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 19, 2023 at 2:05 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 25, 2021 at 7:00 p.m.
Thread: CAL blockbuster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>Problem with Lucic is he has 2 years on his deal still. I don't mind selecting like Zary but think you need to add a 2nd or 3rd as well from Calgary for taking back Lucic and downgrading the prospect from Coronoto.</div></div>

I think I could live with that amendment.

Honestly, the idea of getting Dvorak and Toffoli is absolutely something I'd like to happen. The only hang-up for me is what it does for our cap next year.

With the season JG, MT, and AM are having I feel like we need their extensions sorted (one way or another) before we go shopping at the deadline.

If it looks like we're going to lose 1 or more of that three then Tre would probably make this deal in a heartbeat, then try and move those players that aren't extending before July 1.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 29, 2021 at 5:48 p.m.
Thread: Optimistic
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeastModeUnknown</b></div><div> I just think it's a pipedream to want an arm and a leg for a guy on a 1 year contract I just dont see it. Taylor Hall set the price tag on what I see as a trade and what most people see as a trade. Retooling doesn't mean you get a piece for a piece in that year. This could be one of the best things that Calgary could do. Reset and you look to hit some big market players in Free Agency.</div></div>

I can see where you're coming from but from our side of things we're not, at this time, interested in moving Gaudreau; trade deadline rolls around and there's still no extension, maybe there are different conversations happening. Ultimately we are not under any pressure at the moment to ship him out.

And as far as free agency goes, I just don't agree with what you're proposing here. Relying on free agency to simply fill gaps is risky enough, waiting on <em>next year's</em> free agency to sign (edit: grammar) major pieces is way too risky because there are way too many moving targets when we're over a year out. Yes, some players <em>right now</em> may look like they won't get resigned next free agency but a lot is going to go down in the next year and some of those teams may find ways to keep those players.

Again, the Flames are in a "retool and try to win now" mode and we need to be adding to the roster, not subtracting and hope it works out.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 29, 2021 at 5:00 p.m.
Thread: Optimistic
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeastModeUnknown</b></div><div>Top LW would be Matthew Tkachuk at this point, and with how the Center role is, interestingly enough you won't even get close. Tell me how your team isn't in a retool. You see next year's free agency class. You guys have regressed over the past 2 years, and during yesterday Edmonton completely passed you up on the list for chances to push for playoff spots. Vancouver is on the edge as well but Seattle made a bunch of moves, and I'd bet they would do better than you guys at this very point as well. You have 12 Million in cap space to sign 5 quality players and a backup tendy. Kylington, Zadorov, Valimaki, Mackey, Dube, and Gawdin are all still neding to be re-signed. Zadorov's original ask was 5.9 Million and it just recently came down to 4 million. So that leaves about 8 Million to spend on a backup goaltender and 5 different players. Need I mention Flat cap. Tkachuk is going to get a raise, Gaudreau is going to want a raise, Mangiapane is going to want a raise, that also doesn't show you how much Monahan is gonna want in 2 years. 1st Round Pick, 3rd Round Pick, Middle 6 Forward (Played a ton of Top 6 minutes), and a quality Joel Hofer which can be switched in for someone else but Hofer is worth around probably a 2nd in terms of quality ceiling. On 1 year left on a deal. You won't get anything more for someone like this. If you want to look at players with similar production and on 1-year deals. Hall 50% retained, Lazar for 2021 2nd and Anders Bjork. 2022 1st Round Pick is better than a 2021 2nd Round Pick and I'm going to say a 3rd Round Pick, Hofer, and Sanford probably gets you more than Bjork. Plus you aren't giving up another piece like Lazar. So tell me how stupid I am when the market it set itself up that way. You really think I didn't read into it? Calgary won't have money to sign both Tkachuk and Gaudreau, and when Monahan is up in a couple of seasons from now.</div></div>

I mean I was talking about how the <em>move </em>didn't feel like a "retool" move, rather it feels more like a "rebuild" move. If we move Gaudreau we'd have to find some way to find those goals and points and this trade simply leaves us with too much of a gap to bridge. So, we'd only consider a move like this if we were throwing in the towel and looking to the future.

And, well, we <em>are </em>retooling. Last year BT bet on some 800k contracts having breakout or bounce-back years and lost on all of those bets. This time around he's making more intentional additions that fit with a coach that has every intention of making this team competitive. The 6 year deal for Coleman is a retool move. Same goes for Zadorov.

We are in a tricky cap situation but until extensions start rolling in shipping out key difference makers is a complete mistake. Honestly, the player that's higher on the list of getting moved is Monahan given how well Lindholm fit into the centre position.

And, for the record, Gaudreau has 42 (edit: actually 52!) more points than Tarasenko in 11 less games and is 2 years younger. Tarasenko can be the difference maker that can swing games at times but his injury history leaves a lot to be desired.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 29, 2021 at 4:22 p.m.
Thread: Optimistic
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeastModeUnknown</b></div><div>I didn't say rebuild I said retool</div></div>

Trading our top LW and cornerstone of our offensive production is not a "retool" move, especially considering the return you have here: potentially late 1st round pick, a 3rd 2 years from now, a goaltending prospect (that we don't need btw), and a top-6 2-way forward winger (that we have multiple of already). This is the kind of return is similar to when we traded Iginla a few years back. He was nearing the end of his career and the Flames were in a full fledged rebuild mode; other teams knew we couldn't ask for much more than we got.

We're not in that position with Gaudreau, not by a long shot.

A retool move would've been Gaudreau for Tarasenko straight-up. Change of scenery for two players that each had a down season last year.