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Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 18, 2021 at 4:38 a.m.
Thread: Pens
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>why would the penguins want a 37 year old guy who can't skate?

That's an over pay on Jack if you ask me. He hasn't done anything to be worth that, and that's the problem that WPG is having with him. He think's he's more valuable than he really is and they aren't going to pay him like it. I don't blame them. At some point you realize he's basically a roughly10 goal 20 some point guy. Which makes him a 4th liner. You don't give that up for a 4th liner.
Much like you don't give them long big money deals. He's 23 and hasn't shown he's capable of more. At some point he either accepts the low deal WPG or another team gives him or he'll try to play somewhere else. Because I don't see teams paying him what he wants. Including the penguins.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>why would the penguins want a 37 year old guy who can't skate?

That's an over pay on Jack if you ask me. He hasn't done anything to be worth that, and that's the problem that WPG is having with him. He think's he's more valuable than he really is and they aren't going to pay him like it. I don't blame them. At some point you realize he's basically a roughly10 goal 20 some point guy. Which makes him a 4th liner. You don't give that up for a 4th liner.
Much like you don't give them long big money deals. He's 23 and hasn't shown he's capable of more. At some point he either accepts the low deal WPG or another team gives him or he'll try to play somewhere else. Because I don't see teams paying him what he wants. Including the penguins.</div></div>

Im ok with the Jack trade only if they have the 2nd in 2022 and the third in 2023, but I sure as hell do not want Spezza. We need more youth. Not more old people.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 16, 2020 at 4:23 p.m.
Thread: I guess Dumba gotta go
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheEarthmaster</b></div><div>I don't know why you responded to me to make this point because it has little to do with what I was saying but alright let's talk about this.

The going rate for a player like Brodin is significantly lower than 6x7. He's a great player, which I said, but this contract absolutely overpays him. And Brodin didn't have a NMC before he signed this contract. I'm saying they should have traded him instead of re-signing him if this was going to be his asking price.

Spurgeon should not be lower. He is well paid for what he does, which is being an elite defenseman. Great contract, no notes.

Suter, yes, awful contract.

I never said Dumba's contract was too much, I just said he was overrated, which is true. "Amazing" top four defenseman? Idk, he's good, but amazing? The idea that they need to move heaven and earth to keep him, which they did in the Vegas draft and now we're talking about doing something weird again, is silly. I also said that what is handcuffing this team is the contracts for declining players deep in the thirties. That's not Dumba. But because of the decisions to sign those other contracts, that's going to cost you stuff now. Dumba's contract is fine and he is worth a lot to the league but he is not deserving of being an untouchable part of this team, he simply does not provide enough value to warrant it- he's overrated. This is especially true when they've got Addison, who will be cheap, coming up. It would have been smarter to keep Dumba through the expansion draft and seamlessly transition. With the Brodin extension, now they don't have that luxury, because Dumba will cost assets to protect (not worth it) or he's gone for nothing. You have to trade Dumba before the expansion draft now.</div></div>

Here is what I agree with: Dumba is overated and slightly overpaid, Suters awful
Disagree, I think spurgeon should be at most 6.75 million
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 16, 2020 at 4:22 p.m.
Thread: I guess Dumba gotta go
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheEarthmaster</b></div><div>I don't know why you responded to me to make this point because it has little to do with what I was saying but alright let's talk about this.

The going rate for a player like Brodin is significantly lower than 6x7. He's a great player, which I said, but this contract absolutely overpays him. And Brodin didn't have a NMC before he signed this contract. I'm saying they should have traded him instead of re-signing him if this was going to be his asking price.

Spurgeon should not be lower. He is well paid for what he does, which is being an elite defenseman. Great contract, no notes.

Suter, yes, awful contract.

I never said Dumba's contract was too much, I just said he was overrated, which is true. "Amazing" top four defenseman? Idk, he's good, but amazing? The idea that they need to move heaven and earth to keep him, which they did in the Vegas draft and now we're talking about doing something weird again, is silly. I also said that what is handcuffing this team is the contracts for declining players deep in the thirties. That's not Dumba. But because of the decisions to sign those other contracts, that's going to cost you stuff now. Dumba's contract is fine and he is worth a lot to the league but he is not deserving of being an untouchable part of this team, he simply does not provide enough value to warrant it- he's overrated. This is especially true when they've got Addison, who will be cheap, coming up. It would have been smarter to keep Dumba through the expansion draft and seamlessly transition. With the Brodin extension, now they don't have that luxury, because Dumba will cost assets to protect (not worth it) or he's gone for nothing. You have to trade Dumba before the expansion draft now.</div></div>

he had a nmc last season check his capfriendly
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 15, 2020 at 7:52 p.m.
Thread: I guess Dumba gotta go
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan</b></div><div>Hawks don't need RHD. They wanted Brodin lol</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheEarthmaster</b></div><div>Spurgeon's deal is good. He's a legit top pairing guy. Brodin and Suter are the "brutal" contracts and Dumba is super overrated. They should have traded Brodin now, protected Suter, Spurgeon and Dumba and then traded Dumba post-expansion draft when Addison could step in.

I don't think the Wild can be serious about contention while Suter, Parise, and Zuccarello are still on the books for as long as they are. All of their young players will require big paydays before those three expire and you simply don't have the cap space for it. Spurgeon and Brodin make a lot but Spurgeon and Brodin are also really really good at what they do. Those other three guys, the results are mixed at best, and they're only going to get worse. My point being- your defense isn't the issue, it's the length of the contracts for your old players who are already in decline.</div></div>

Brodin has a full NMC. Also how are yall gonna say brodin is too much, dumba is too much, spurgeon is too much, They are all amazing top 4 defenseman. Spurgeon yes should be lower, Suter is the awful contract
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 6, 2020 at 7:24 a.m.
Thread: 1234
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Trevor31lv</b></div><div>A few issues I have on it.

If PLD is getting 6 a year, I can't see the term being longer that 3 years. Even with that, I get the feeling he makes more on a bridge deal.
Gavrikov seems a lot like a team first kinda guy, but I think he'd get a higher AAV as well. I like the 2 year deal since it keeps him as a RFA when it expires, but I think it'd be more along the lines of 3.5-4M a year.

Lines - Not something I wanna nag on since it's not something I'd expect from anyone not following the team, but there's like a 90% chance that Texier is the LW for PDL and Bjorkstrand. Also, Garvikov and Savard are D partners. They work together terrifically. Can't see them breaking that up.</div></div>

I'll adjust the lines