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Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJan. 30 at 1:07 p.m.

Thread: righty for a lefty

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>delete</b></div><div>then why are reports out there that the sens want Tanev? Weegar isnt old and signed for awhile,the sens have all there dmen on the left side and need a righty.</div></div>

The only way a Tanev deal makes sense is if it came with a two year extension and it would be at a far less AAV than $6.5 million.

But I honestly don't know why the Senators would be looking at Tanev, moving assets for him seems like an absurd use of capital for a team that will not come close to making the playoffs this year.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJan. 29 at 11:26 a.m.

Thread: righty for a lefty

I love everything about Weegers game. He would be a great addition for any team... except Ottawa.

The last 3 maybe even 4 years of his contract are not going to be good value. That will also likely be the window Ottawa becomes relevant (although who knows if that's even true anymore) and they would likely be using assets to dump off the remaining years on his contract.

This would be short term gain, for a whole lot of long term pain... and Ottawa has to be playing the long game with this roster and coaching staff!

Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 14, 2023 at 2:04 p.m.

Thread: Pinto

Honest question... Did you mean to put the first round pick going from Vancouver to Ottawa?

I'm still not sure it would be considered by Ottawa, but was this just a mistake?

Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 26, 2023 at 6:51 p.m.

Thread: Blasty

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoSeider53</b></div><div>Norris is a country mile better than Pinto, The only way Pinto becomes a 2 way 2C in Ottawa is if Norris has a career ending injury. Right now in depth Stutzle and Norris are the Sens 1C and 2C Pinto isn't even close.</div></div>

This is a weird way of thinking of a players value.

So Wolf isn't worth much because he's the third best Goalie on the Flames and there are two better goalies on the roster? Sounds absurd doesn't it?

Evaluating players on where they are currently playing in their teams organizational chart is not how it works.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 9, 2023 at 7:01 p.m.

Thread: DeBrincat on the reduced QO thoughts

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sensonfire</b></div><div>Ottawa should accept this trade IMO.

However, given that DJ Smith and Jack Capuano are coaching our team, I think the folks running our team would be more interested in someone like Matt Martin instead of Wahlstrom.

And unlike some people on here, I think Pageau is worth the contract he's signed to.</div></div>

I don’t think many people don’t think he’s not worth his contract. I think he’s not worth his contract to Ottawa. If there is one position that is perfectly slotted on their roster, it’s center. Stutzle, Noris, Pinto, Kastalic. And all are perfect for their line role both in play and salary.

So where do you play Pageau? His salary isn’t worth it if he is playing on the wing on the third or fourth line.

That’s the issue for Ottawa… I think Pageau to a third team in need of a center, with those assets to Ottawa instead makes way more sense.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 28, 2023 at 12:10 a.m.

Thread: Do Juuse What I See

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AmeriCanadian</b></div><div>By the sounds of it Dorion isn't sure he'll get 1 first, nevermind 2.

Very curious how the Cat trade pans out</div></div>

I think you misunderstood the report. It wasn't that Dorian couldn't get a first this year... it was that he wasn't looking necessarily for a first this year. Which means that he's likely looking for roster players that can play for the team right now, not down the road.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 17, 2023 at 12:27 p.m.

Thread: Goaltending Depth With Forsberg and Talbot Out

If they could have had him for free and chose not to, why would they give up a draft pick?

If a trade happens after a player passes through waivers, it usually means a contract exchange to balance the number of contracts in an organization… not draft capital.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 16, 2023 at 6:25 p.m.

Thread: One for one

Not that I agree with you... but let's go with your numbers.

If a team signs DeBrincat to an 8 year deal after this season, all 8 years would be in YOUR prime forward years. But a team acquiring Weeger is already agreeing to four years outside YOUR prime years for a defensemen.

So then wouldn't, just based off contract alone DeBrincat be more valuable than Weeger?

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 3, 2023 at 12:48 p.m.

Thread: Re-build

So I keep seeing different versions of Tyler Myers to Ottawa... And here is why they don't make sense.

The top 6 is set in Ottawa for a few years secondary scoring is easier to come by and may actually be in the system. So really defence is the issue to move the team forward.

Chabot and Zub are a solid first pairing. Sanderson is set on the second pairing. And Bernard-Docker is likely set next year as the third pairing RD. The Third pairing LD is either Brannstrom or a fill in. So that leaves only the 2nd pairing RD.

The issue is that Zaitsev isn't the solution but neither is Myers. So why would Ottawa give up assets that don't solve that problem.

In fact, Ottawa would be way more inclined to give up those assets to not have Zaitsev OR Myers to deal with next year.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 14, 2023 at 12:00 p.m.

Thread: I fix Vancouver

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wqrrior</b></div><div>what if we retained 1-1.5m?

cap equalizes next year, but then they get the better player and the shorter term. I believe OTT was exploring RDs and Myers would fill the hole.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wqrrior</b></div><div>what if we retained 1-1.5m?

cap equalizes next year, but then they get the better player and the shorter term. I believe OTT was exploring RDs and Myers would fill the hole.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wqrrior</b></div><div>what if we retained 1-1.5m?

cap equalizes next year, but then they get the better player and the shorter term. I believe OTT was exploring RDs and Myers would fill the hole.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wqrrior</b></div><div>what if we retained 1-1.5m?

cap equalizes next year, but then they get the better player and the shorter term. I believe OTT was exploring RDs and Myers would fill the hole.</div></div>

The problem for Ottawa now (and I can’t believe I’m even saying this after the last few years) is that they are in a place where cap numbers are more important than actual dollars.

My guess is they would be more likely to give you the 2nd round pick and just not take back Meyers at all… which I know, is not at all what you are hoping for from a Vancouver perspective.

So I’m just not sure there is a match with these players and teams.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 14, 2023 at 1:53 a.m.

Thread: I fix Vancouver

Even if you take the 2nd round pick out of the Ottawa trade… the Senators still don’t make it.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 9, 2023 at 1:19 p.m.

Thread: hard for bedard

I think you forgot to include Vancouvers 2023 1st rd pick (unprotected) in that OEL-Pinto trade!

Easy oversight, I get it. Mistakes happen.

Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 4, 2022 at 10:57 a.m.

Thread: Can this end our pain

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sensonfire</b></div><div>In this trade, Vancouver is also swapping Myers with retention for Zaitsev.</div></div>

The problem with this string of trades is that… if CBJ was willing to take Zaitsev off Vancouver for a 6th, Ottawa would just do that and not absorb the Myers’s contract that will hurt them way more than the Zaitsev contract.

Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 29, 2022 at 9:25 p.m.

Thread: five guys from ottawa at MTLvSJS

I believe it’s been reported that they are in Montreal for a strategy meeting and the game is just a team outing.

Not sure there is a match at all between Montreal and Ottawa for a trade.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsNov. 24, 2022 at 12:45 p.m.

Thread: Chychrun finally get dealt

Chychrun is great but isn’t the right fit for what Ottawa needs (LD, Health, etc.)

So I would be surprised if they would even do 1 for 1 with Pinto because he actually fits a very current need right now.

Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 15, 2022 at 3:29 p.m.

Thread: Just yell at me in the comments

Ottawa is more likely to accept that trade if you take Myers out of the trade and replace him with future considerations.

Forum: Fauteuil - DGNov. 1, 2022 at 10:54 p.m.

Thread: Deadline

Ottawa counters:

MTL 2023 1st rd
For
Josh Holden

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 10, 2022 at 5:10 p.m.

Thread: Since people were mad

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>Maybe a 2nd rounder at 50% retained but I absolutely cannot see anything more than that</div></div>

To be fair, there was also a lot of “Josh Anderson and Dvorak for the first” before we saw what the actual return was for the 7OA pick.

I imagine the same will happen with the Murray to Leafs trade in f it even happens.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 10, 2022 at 4:46 p.m.

Thread: Since people were mad

It seems to have been missed along the way….

The Sens were not trading their first round pick to get rid of Murray. They were trading down 9 spots to get rid of Murray.

Big difference.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 5, 2022 at 5:00 p.m.

Thread: Giroux comes home

This is false logic though.

Browns ice time was higher because he kills penalties and JP doesn’t. Which adds to Browns value.

You also can’t compare point totals because JP played with McDavid and Connor Brown played with third line players.

I get it, JP was drafted high and it’s hard to sell off a high pick… but Connor Brown is by far and away the more valuable player out of the two.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsMay 25, 2022 at 8:10 p.m.

Thread: Norris for a Package

So if Ottawa is looking to trade their first round pick for immediate help… I can’t imagine that they’d consider trading their most productive center for another first round pick.

This seems to be the opposite direction they would be going.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJul. 16, 2021 at 1:19 a.m.

Thread: boeser and eriksson to sens for cap relief

Logan Brown aside… Erickson and Boeser aren’t worth the 10th overall pick.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJul. 3, 2021 at 11:04 a.m.

Thread: SKINNER REINHART OUT

If you tie skinner to Reinhart in a trade it renders his value at zero.

You will get nothing of significance for him. You would be giving him up in order for a team to take on the Skinner contract (which may be the worst in the NHL).

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJun. 29, 2021 at 7:26 p.m.

Thread: This seems insane

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wagsnags</b></div><div>I am a lifelong Sabres fan and a 30+ Sabres Season ticket holder so you know I have to be messed up in the head and YES YES YES that is insane and such an overpay.

I think Sabres fans are going to be disappointed a little bit with the initial return they get for Eichel. But you have to hope that the scouting department picks the right pieces that they do get and they make the long term impact that the organization truly needs.

I would say this is more like the package I would hope for from Rangers:

One of Kappo/LaFraniere
Braden Schneider
NYR 1st Round Pick 2021</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wagsnags</b></div><div>I am a lifelong Sabres fan and a 30+ Sabres Season ticket holder so you know I have to be messed up in the head and YES YES YES that is insane and such an overpay.

I would say this is more like the package I would hope for from Rangers:

One of Kappo/LaFraniere
Braden Schneider
NYR 1st Round Pick 2021</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wagsnags</b></div><div>I am a lifelong Sabres fan and a 30+ Sabres Season ticket holder so you know I have to be messed up in the head and YES YES YES that is insane and such an overpay.

I would say this is more like the package I would hope for from Rangers:

One of Kappo/LaFraniere
Braden Schneider
NYR 1st Round Pick 2021</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wagsnags</b></div><div>I am a lifelong Sabres fan and a 30+ Sabres Season ticket holder so you know I have to be messed up in the head and YES YES YES that is insane and such an overpay.

I would say this is more like the package I would hope for from Rangers:

One of Kappo/LaFraniere
Braden Schneider
NYR 1st Round Pick 2021</div></div>

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJun. 29, 2021 at 1:46 p.m.

Thread: This seems insane

I’m not saying I’d do this, but it’s being reported that this is the level of ask that Buffalo is asking for.

Seems like a lot for a disgruntled player coming off a significant injury.

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