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Forum: Armchair-GM14 hours ago
Thread: Wild and Coyote Fans How Does This Feel
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>Thanks for the analysis. I guess we come down to two diametrically opposed strategies: (1) expose Dumba to Seattle, or (2) trade Dumba to avoid losing him to Seattle. (I think that you and I agree that the third strategy -- 8 and 1 -- is now off the table due to the Foligno signing and Greenway's bloom.) I have no idea which is best for Minnesota and it will be fascinating to see which strategy Guerin adopts!</div></div>

I agree that 8-1 is off the table. I'd prefer to trade Dumba if possible even if the return isn't ideal. But I can't see GMBG adding picks to our side of that trade unless it's our 4th for their 5th or something like that.

That being said, I like Schmalz. I like Arizona as a trading partner. If there was a lower asking price for him, I'd be very interested. But I wouldn't give up a first, Rossi, or Boldy.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr 7 at 11:54
Thread: Next year - take 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Morzski</b></div><div>Agreeing with both Transor and WIldwinswhen. Ideally BG can trade Dumba before the expansion draft for something that doesn't need to be protected. Frost + 2nd would be great...

I know a lot of Wild fans are afraid to "pay" Seattle to take Soucy + to protect Dumba/Greenway, but my question is what would you be ok with parting with that Seattle might be interested in? I'm in the Soucy/Firstov maybe a 3rd camp seems fair imo. That would also keep Talbot on the team which is increasingly seeming like he could be taken based on his play imo.</div></div>

I'd hate to give up another going forward, but we don't need more left wings right now, so Firstov is a likely trade option if they go that route.

But, if I were the Kraken, I'd rather have Dumba, Greenway, or Talbot than Soucy + futures.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr 7 at 3:02
Thread: Next year - take 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TanSor</b></div><div>The reason they might waive (in theory) is that they should want to win a cup. If they're exposed, Ron Francis should be fired immediately if he took one of Parise or Suter's contracts. Parise in particular has said he wants to win a cup, and it's hard to do that if you expose two young, talented players in Greenway or Ek who would definitely be taken by Seattle. And it's not Dumba for nothing, $6M is a ton of cap space (especially in a flat cap world) and that itself is an asset. I also disagree that Dumba is our ticket to a #1 center. He's a fine player, but I think GM's undervalue him relative to what us fans and Guerin thinks of him. If you have a subscription, check out Russo's article where he asks executives about fan proposals. The exectuvie implies that Dumba does not have a lot of value among GM's and Guerin isn't going to get what he's asking for, but also implies that he's still a great player. Our main assets are our prospects but I wouldn't be comfortable giving a lot of them up unless it's for someone like Eichel. If nobody wants to make a deal, then so be it. Continue to draft and develop. #1 centers hardly ever get traded, you have to build through the draft and that's what Guerin has been doing so far.</div></div>

We're in complete agreement on Dumba. I put the "nothing" in quotes, because we do get 6M in cap space and they don't take one of our young guys. I just think he's more valuable than Greenway. I still hate how many shifts Greenway takes off. It reminds me too much of Coyle, I guess.

I liked Russo's article with the GMs. He had alot of fun with that one. It sounds clear that we aren't getting a C1 through trades.

All in all I couldn't be happier with GMBG. I trust that whatever he decides to do with the Expansion Draft will be a good choice. He's done very well so far.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr 7 at 1:27
Thread: Next year - take 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jcash08</b></div><div>Who would they protect over Greenway?

Assuming they go the 8 skaters route for 4 defenseman.
Suter
Spurgeon
Dumba
Brodin
Kaprizov (Not sure if he is exempt or not)
Parise
Zuccarello
Greenway
Fiala (If Krill doesn't need to be protected)</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>futurehofer</b></div><div>Joel Eriksson Ek is getting protected no matter what since he's 2nd on the team in goals, 5th in points, and a stud defensively. He's also a center which we have basically none of at the moment. Kaprizov is exempt so we don't have to worry about giving him a slot. Assuming nobody waives their NMC, here's who we will protect in each scenario:

7/3/1: Parise, Zuccarello, Eriksson Ek, Fiala, Greenway, Foligno, Sturm/Hartman, Brodin, Spurgeon, Suter, Kahkonen
8/1: Parise, Zuccarello, Eriksson Ek, Fiala, Brodin, Spurgeon, Suter, Dumba, Kahkonen

The Sturm/Hartman choice would depend on how likely it is we think Hartman will want to re-sign for a palatable number. His arbitration value is likely too high for us next year.

Personally, I'd go the 7/3/1 route. It allows us to protect more players that we want to keep. If Dumba is picked, it's $6 million in cap room that we can use going forward. Depending on who else Seattle decides to take, there's a slight chance they'd pick Talbot or Soucy from us over Dumba. If that were to happen, I'd trade Dumba for the best offer at the draft and hope to either get a decent top 6 center or a nice couple draft picks.</div></div>

I agree with virtually everything <a href="/users/futurehofer" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@futurehofer</a> said here.

I don't expect anyone will waive their NMCs. Parise and Suter have no reason to. Zuccarello specifically negotiated it into his contract knowing this was coming. Spurgeon and Brodin would never get asked to waive. So that means we're protecting the 5 of them regardless of what we do.

My guess is that the Wild will go 4-4-1 because Dumba for "nothing" would really hurt. In that case we can only protect two forwards. With KK being exempt the next best two players are Fiala and Ek and it's not even close.

If we protect Dumba from the draft, I wouldn't follow up and trade him. We're not going to be able to trade for a C1. There's just no way anyone will make a deal with us. And the Wild have no other needs (which feels really weird to say, but it's true).

So I think it's stay the course, try for aC2 free agent and hope that Rossi and Boldy come through.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr 1 at 2:25
Thread: Buyout Parise next year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OutCold13</b></div><div>So yeah the Parise buyout from my understanding is that next season he costs the Wild 2 million and change the following season 6 million and change and the next two seasons believe Parise buyout would be his regular cap hit against the cap. I think it does account for the recapture. I really don't see Zach playing once his contract drops after the 21\ 22 season. Because of the Covid seasons players are being hit with escrow so they have to pay portions of their salaries back. Parise is a proud player and as much as it frustrates us to watch him struggle, I'm sure it pisses him off more. So I think once his salary significantly drops he just goes to the Wild and says my back is hurting again and he goes LTIR to finish the contract. I think that approach is a better option for the Wild than buying him out.</div></div>

Oof, yeah that's alot of cap to cover on the backend. I think Parise as an LTIR is the best case for the cap and reasonable with all the cross checks he's taken. If he didn't go that route, then I guess we'd need to trade him to get relief. But it just doesn't seem likely that we'd have a team to trade him to.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr 1 at 2:50
Thread: Who adds
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caerii</b></div><div>I don't think Mittlestadt or Thompson would be taken in expansion draft. If he went 4+4 and traded Greenway for this, I think Seattle has to take Soucy. Obviously just my opinion. The clock is really ticking on Mittlestadt and Thompson becoming anything more than bottom six players.</div></div>

I agree. I've come around to the 4-4-1 model for the ED. I do think we lose Greenway in that setup, but I'm not as upset by that as I once was. We're going to lose something for "nothing" no matter how we do it and there doesn't seem to be a market for trading Dumba that returns people we can protect. All of our trade partners already have 3D they want to protect.

I think it's going to be a very quiet TDL with the ED looming. If anything I'd rather see Greenway traded for picks, but even then we'd still lose Soucy. So it's lose-lose.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar 16 at 3:59
Thread: Trade the future to get Eichel at the TDL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JayTea</b></div><div>Other than being an absolutely insane overpay, have fun extending Kaprizov, Fiala, Ek and signing 5-6 other skaters you'll need next year with $16m in cap space.</div></div>

Future cap space is definitely a concern, but how much of an overpay is it really? If we aren't going to trade existing NHLers for him, then I think something like this works.

Now, we could fix the cap space problem by going Fiala, Boldy, 1st, 1st. But what does it actually take to be fair here? In my prospects model above maybe we remove Khovanov and the 2022 pick, but still if we're giving up only prospects and picks for an Eichel it's going to hurt.

I haven't seen a design yet that both MN and Buffalo fans thought was fair.