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Armchair-GM
13 hours ago
Thread:
Guerin is going to give Fiala away
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caerii</b></div><div>Not going to try to convince you Fiala has been good, just gonna add a little extra context.
In 2019-20, Fiala was our best playoff player on a line with Eric Staal.
In 2020-21, Fiala played with Hartman and Johansson, so is it any wonder he didn't produce?
In 2021-22, Fiala played with Boldy and Gaudreau. Gaudreau disappeared even harder than Fiala did, and Boldy LOOKED like a rookie out there.
So we didn't learn anything new that we didn't already know. The only difference is in the playoffs we seem to shift the blame from Guerin and Evason not putting him in a position to succeed, to Fiala. Despite the fact that nothing really changed.
Looking at those seasons statistically from a team perspective, the only guys in the last three years that have outscored Fiala in the playoffs are Spurgeon and Kaprizov. Notably, Zuccarello has one single goal in his three playoff runs here, and less points than Fiala does. And he's the one attached to Kaprizov.
Fiala needs to be better going forward in the playoffs, but we as a fanbase need to stop pretending Fiala is exceedingly bad. He is constantly used as a scapegoat by media (namely Russo) and fans (especially on Twitter, yes I realize it's a cesspool). It's tired and played out.
It is not a tale of two different seasons or players. It is the same player with the same flaws we already knew about. It's not the reason we're losing. If you're looking for the reason we're losing, look at the GM who constructed this roster and the coach who's in charge of deploying it every game.
Fiala will get traded, most likely to a team that recognizes that in order to get the best out of your players, you need to give them something to work with. And he'll continue scoring in the regular season, and he'll produce in the playoffs too with a competent GM and coach.</div></div>
Fiala is a streaky scorer like Nino. He'll get his goals in the regular season because it's a long time, so his streak eventually shows up. But over any one 6 game period he could be either a 0 pts player or a 6 pts player and there's no way to tell which Fiala will show up. But, in the postseason, it's been low scoring Fiala who shows up.
With regard to last year with Hartman and Johannsen. Hartman has scored alot of goals this year with KK on his line. So he's not worthless. To say that Fiala couldn't score last postseason because he was paired with Hartman is just short sighted. Also, Fiala thought he should be paid more than 6.5M this year, so he must think he's worth 8M now. 8M dollar players make their linemates better.
I just don't see that future for him. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
But my main concern was how negative GMBG is about him. That points to a Nino style trade rather than a Zucker style trade (or better) which was my concern
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 10:48 p.m.
Thread:
Guerin is going to give Fiala away
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>82 game sample = forest
6 game sample = trees</div></div>
Two different seasons. We have 13 postseason games and he vanishes
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 8:53 p.m.
Thread:
Guerin is going to give Fiala away
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wabit</b></div><div>He had 3 assists. All of them came on 3 out of the last 4 goals MN scored in the Playoffs.
He had some awful luck with fluky high sticking penalties. A double minor for the guy lifting Fiala's stink into his own face. A double minor for catching the one guy on the ice without a visor while trying to get his stick unpinned from the boards. A useless matching roughing penalty because the refs had lost control of the game and were trying to get it back.
Fiala was by no means great in the Playoffs, but he wasn't as awful as people are making him out to be either.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wabit</b></div><div>He had 3 assists. All of them came on 3 out of the last 4 goals MN scored in the Playoffs.
He had some awful luck with fluky high sticking penalties. A double minor for the guy lifting Fiala's stink into his own face. A double minor for catching the one guy on the ice without a visor while trying to get his stick unpinned from the boards. A useless matching roughing penalty because the refs had lost control of the game and were trying to get it back.
Fiala was by no means great in the Playoffs, but he wasn't as awful as people are making him out to be either.</div></div>
All excellent points.
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 8:04 p.m.
Thread:
Guerin is going to give Fiala away
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Depends on the team, I guess, and who is ahead of him. He is a guy that could be put at 3LW and moved to 2C if needed. He is not going to be a checking line center, but could be middle-six center if one is needed.
Zacha would be the other option. He wants to play center, but provides a lot more offense from the wing (~0.7ppg) than he does at center (~0.4ppg). His defense is adequate. But he has helped bridge the gap at center in top-6 at times as both Nico and Jack have had injuries over last couple of years.</div></div>
Personally, I'd like either of them as C2
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 7:50 p.m.
Thread:
Guerin is going to give Fiala away
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HeadHighSauce</b></div><div>oh. oh wow.</div></div>
Yeah, alot more than the usual "increase a guy's trade value" talk.
Also in the days before the post season when asked about how good Fiala has been and if the Wild need to keep him, GMBG said, "You're only as good as your last game." Clearly meaning the playoffs and then Fiala is terrible in the playoffs.
6 games, 3 assists 16 PIM
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 7:47 p.m.
Thread:
Guerin is going to give Fiala away
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Wow. That was unexpected. Sounds like he leaning towards keeping Dumba over Fiala.
<em>“…just because Kevin had three good months”</em>
The way he said that kind of stung.</div></div>
My thoughts exactly
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 6:41 p.m.
Thread:
Guerin is going to give Fiala away
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HeadHighSauce</b></div><div>Is there a link to the interview</div></div>
https://youtu.be/T-qTsb9bPkE
The key part is around the 15 minute mark.
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 6:40 p.m.
Thread:
Guerin is going to give Fiala away
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoreHitzSeider</b></div><div>I'd make that trade in a heartbeat.</div></div>
I see Rasmussen as a decent 2nd line center. Do I have him targeted correctly?
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 6:07 p.m.
Thread:
Guerin is going to give Fiala away
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoreHitzSeider</b></div><div>As much as I like Fiala I can't trade the 8OA pick. You never know if a franchise guy could slide down in the draft. Would Billy take Zadina and a 2nd? That would be a rip off for Fiala.</div></div>
He might take Zadina and a 2nd. But I hope he holds out for 8 OA.
MIN Fiala
DET Rasmussen, 2nd, and a 3rd
?
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 5:34 p.m.
Thread:
Guerin is going to give Fiala away
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TanSor</b></div><div>That seems like a reasonable deal to me. I've toyed with LA's 1st and Turcotte or Vilardi but haven't posted it yet. I would be a little surprised if LA moved on from Turcotte, but to this point he has not lived up to his draft position.</div></div>
A first and Vilardi would be a dream, so I'm convinced it won't happen
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 5:33 p.m.
Thread:
Guerin is going to give Fiala away
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TanSor</b></div><div>I'd hate it. I could see Guerin taking it.</div></div>
Come on... Boqvist, Zacha, and a second? This is without us having to figure out Fiala's next contract. I'll wish them good luck with that. This is a good deal for us.
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 5:31 p.m.
Thread:
Guerin is going to give Fiala away
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HeadHighSauce</b></div><div>Pick 37, Zacha, Zetterlund/Boqvist?</div></div>
I'd do it! I want Boqvist.
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 5:07 p.m.
Thread:
Guerin is going to give Fiala away
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TanSor</b></div><div>That's a good point about Parise and Suter. I'd still be surprised though considering Russo said and wrote all year how close the room was.</div></div>
I've gotta think Fiala is a good guy in the locker room. I can't see Moose allowing anything else.
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 5:06 p.m.
Thread:
Guerin is going to give Fiala away
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Birtle34</b></div><div>Am I the only one that wants this team built entirely in there gms image or bigger or angrier. Just imagine an entire roster of billy guerins, just large angry and a hairpin trigger. Possibly add Lemieux from la, maybe lucic and kassian, gudbranson, and that other monster from Calgary. Could be a fun build, probably smith in net. More intense the better. So late to probably a pretty good convo on the wild, sorry if you actually got to the end of my post.</div></div>
You're not late at all. We Wild fans talk at length. Now I want to see you build that ACGM to see all those Guerins together. Now that would be a roller coaster team to watch. There could be 4 fights a night :)
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 5:04 p.m.
Thread:
Guerin is going to give Fiala away
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>I can't see us offering less than Helge Grans (or Jordan Spence) plus our 2022 second for Fiala, and frankly, I'd offer our 2022 first plus one of our A prospects (which might even include Turcotte).
If there was a Pacioretty/Stone-type extension being worked on, I think that Turcotte plus our 2022 first would be a fair deal.</div></div>
I would take those deals! Let's ink it!
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 4:41 p.m.
Thread:
Guerin is going to give Fiala away
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TanSor</b></div><div>That's a good point about Parise and Suter. I'd still be surprised though considering Russo said and wrote all year how close the room was.</div></div>
We knew alot about Suter and Parise from the Adam Oates situation. It's no surprise that those guys weren't good in the locker room. Especially Suter.
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 3:54 p.m.
Thread:
Guerin is going to give Fiala away
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoreHitzSeider</b></div><div>It's just GM talk. They're paid to lie. I recall Brian Burke once saying "I'm not trading Sergei Fedorov." He was traded the next day.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Morzski</b></div><div>I get that you're tempering expectations, however Fiala will get more than a late 2nd and waiver claim...</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CoolHandL</b></div><div>I don't understand why he would just willingly ask for pennies on the dollar for Fiala? Are you just feeling depressed? I listened to the same radio segment, mostly seemed like he's just keeping his cards close to his vest.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Yolande</b></div><div>I respect you and get what you are doing, but it was reported Rangers were fixated on Sammy B. This proposal is just with all due respect you venting. Adam gaudette is a 3rd or 4th line w,/ C and nothing like Sammy who Rangers previous front office was fixated on</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TanSor</b></div><div>I don't know if depressed or venting are the right words, but if you listen to Guerin's comment about Fiala ("he had 3 good months") it couldn't be more obvious that he doesn't value Fiala very highly.</div></div>
GMBG said, "Everyone wants to trade Dumba to keep a guy who had 3 good months (Fiala)." Wow, so vicious. That wasn't a GM inflating a guy's value. It was a GM calling out his player as unable to perform in the playoffs and suggesting that streaky scorer Fiala is a fluke. He's going to trade him like Nino rather than trading him like he's Zucker. This could get ugly folks.
Edit: for those who don't know....
Nino Niederreiter was traded by the last GM (Paul Fenton) for Victor Rask straight up.
Jason Zucker was traded by GMBG for a first and Calen Addison.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 2:35 p.m.
Thread:
Subsequently
Trade #1 = You're overpaying. I think you could cut ROR from the trade. I'm intrigued by Grans, big kid 6'3", plays hard, RD. With ROR out of it, I'd be good with this trade.
Trade #2 = Zuccarello is a Wild for as long as he wants to be. Don't shoot yourself in the foot here. He had a great season.
Trade #3 = You're overpaying. Boesar isn't the guy we thought he was. Good second liner, but not more than that. Take Greenway and Addison out and lose the draft pick. Just trade Boesar and Dumba straight up. But I wouldn't do it. I like our young guys better and I don't want to block them out.
Overall? I wouldn't do any of the three trades as written. With modifications, I'd do trade 1.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Thu. at 11:44 p.m.
Thread:
Fiala and Dumba to Kings
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tkecanuck341</b></div><div>The Kings are still high on him. Frequent injuries caused his development to stagnate for a while, but he seems to have put all those behind him, and looked real good at the end of the season. I expect him to be the next breakout player for the Kings next season. I don't think they'll move him. They'll probably dangle other prospects instead.</div></div>
<a href="/users/TanSor" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@TanSor</a> and I have been high on him for years, so I can see why they'd be high on him. I'm glad he's panning out and I really hope we could get him somehow :) But I can completely see why we wouldn't
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 1:44 p.m.
Thread:
Fiala and Dumba to Kings
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tkecanuck341</b></div><div>Kings might look at Fiala, but they don't need another RHD.</div></div>
What is the current outlook on Vilardi?
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 1:27 p.m.
Thread:
Fiala and Dumba to Kings
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tryger</b></div><div>Kings aren't good enough to pay that much for a rental in Dumba.
I'd also rather the Kings just go the free agency route than pay that much for Fiala.</div></div>
What's the current outlook on Vilardi?
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 1:26 p.m.
Thread:
Fiala and Dumba to Kings
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CoolHandL</b></div><div>Fiala trade looks about right, the Wild are getting waaaay too much for Dumba there though.</div></div>
I mean, it's a pick and a 20 yr old prospect in juniors for a year of Dumba and he would probably resign at 4 - 5M.
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Armchair-GM
Wed. at 7:53 p.m.
Thread:
Left turn to Kadri
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tbrew</b></div><div>There is no way the Devils trade 2OA for Fiala. Pick#37 can probably be had from Jersey, but not 2OA for just Fiala</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KPM12</b></div><div>I think the only chance the devils consider a 2nd ovr deal is Fiala, Addison, and a good third asset. I know Minnesota wouldn’t be interested
Dumba is not a "franchise player"</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SimonSelaars3</b></div><div>I’m a Wild fan and I’m tired of seeing the 2ovr pick proposal. It’s not happening man.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tintin</b></div><div>Well, the #2 pick is too much for Fiala on its own.
If something substantial like Addison isn't coming back to NJD along with Fiala for #2, I think you should try your luck with Ottawa instead.</div></div>
Thanks for level setting me on the 2 OA. Ottawa is a good idea. I've also heard the Isles might be interested. Anyone heard more on either of those fronts?
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Wed. at 7:52 p.m.
Thread:
Left turn to Kadri
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KPM12</b></div><div>I think the only chance the devils consider a 2nd ovr deal is Fiala, Addison, and a good third asset. I know Minnesota wouldn’t be interested
Dumba is not a "franchise player"</div></div>
By "franchise player" I meant spokesman more than on the ice. He's great as a face of the franchise.
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Tue. at 8:00 p.m.
Thread:
This is kind of a big deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MNBassman</b></div><div>Better?</div></div>
Yeah that looks lots better to me
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