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Will0613

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Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 23, 2022 at 10:33 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Pace is meaningless. The fact is that he hasn't been able to stay healthy enough to play a full season and at his age, it's not getting any more likely that he will play a complete season. So, hisproduction is what it is, roughly 30 points. Then add in, that Hoffman is completely useless anywhere other than the opponents end. He's not even average at anything else. He's abysmal defensively, can't be trusted in his own end and adds nothing to a team outside of being a marginal, offense only winger.

It's not greedy asking for a first, it's the going price. What did Montreal get for taking $6 mil of Monahan? A first. So, someone taking on $9 mil of Hoffman is completely justified in asking for a first, minimum.

If you don't want to pay it, you can just hang onto him. You seen convinced he's still a good player. That or maybe retain half to reduce the cost to dump him.</div></div>

Ok I see your point, but Monahan is more expensive, and was less productive. 4.5 mil for better production, I don't believe needs a 1st added. Monahan being way more injury prone and making 6 mil is a significant gap in value in comparison. Also, the salary cap is suppose to go up so even if Hoffman has 2 years on his deal, it should take up a smaller percentage of the cap potentially in year 2. I don't think Hoffman is that good, but not bad enough that he would need more picks attached to him. But whatever. Agree or disagree, quite frankly I don't care. I just did this as a hypothetical for fun. Even though the trade on its surface is fine, and the return is barely anything as it is, I guess I can't win here...
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 23, 2022 at 10:19 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 23, 2022 at 10:16 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pensburgh571</b></div><div>Lol so in the same statement you call out Monahan for having a bad season then go "look at the numbers Hoffman could have had IF he had played the entire season".
Center is more valued than wingers. It has always been that way.
BTW if anyone wants a player that has off-ice baggage, is only good for offense, and can only play winger, then why on earth wouldn't they just sign Kessel?? At least he has won some cups .... like come on now.

Just looked up the stats and yikes.... Hoffman was even worse defensively than I could have imagined.</div></div>

Won't argue the off ice stuff, cause I'm judging what he is as a player, and yes no question terrible defensively, won't deny that, but still a very respectable offensive player. And of course I'm going to call out Monahan, he had a much worse season then Hoffman did in about the same amount of games played, and is 1.5 mil more expensive. How can we base Hoffman's value by comparing him to a guy who is more expensive and was less productive? Hoffman is at a relatively reasonable cap hit in comparison to his production, where as Monahan is a significant overpayment compared to what he produced at. A guy who scores at a 20 goal and 40-45 point rate getting paid 4.5 mil needs a 1st attached to him just to be moved? I get Hoffman ain't worth the moon, I am fully aware (3rd round pick in return is far from that in hindsight), but attaching a 1st to a guy whose cap hit is fair market value compared to his production just seems greedy to me. It's not me overrating him, but simply disagree that him and Monahan carry even remotely similar trade value. A more productive and cheaper player has to count for something...
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 23, 2022 at 9:45 p.m.
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Forum: Expansion DraftJun. 1, 2017 at 8:51 p.m.