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Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 1, 2023 at 4:16 p.m.

Thread: Garland

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GeneralLandro</b></div><div>if you're asking for multiple years of retention, you will need to offer more than that!</div></div>

That’s fair, and I think TO could easily up the value if need be

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 1, 2023 at 4:14 p.m.

Thread: Garland

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>cooliny</b></div><div>Canucks accept, the retention by a 3rd party might need more than a 3rd though, as $2.5 over 4 years is a lot</div></div>

That crossed my mind, and TO wouldn’t have much trouble upping the value on that with another piece.

Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 23, 2022 at 12:40 p.m.

Thread: Bleh

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dannibalcorpse</b></div><div>Anaheim deal is fair, I'd say. Grant gets another chance to chase a ring, Anaheim gets a high-floor/low-ceiling type prospect.

Feel like you're giving up too much here. I like Soucy, sure, but he feels like a 2nd-and-a-prospect type value guy at best. Geekie has had a ton of shot luck to get his 4 goals in 15 GP, and I'd assume that at best he's getting a 3rd rounder in a trade. I think Seattle would jump on this trade and Toronto would be giving up a 1st for minor upgrades at best. Pass for the Leafs.</div></div>

That’s all fair, and I don’t disagree the SEA trade is an overpay. Just think that’s probably what it will take to get reinforcements right now.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 18, 2022 at 12:06 p.m.

Thread: Thoughts

Seattle isn’t buying rentals for draft picks. San Jose doesn’t need Holl.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 16, 2022 at 1:19 a.m.

Thread: Leafs fan ACGM post starter pack

I’ll give you Bracco and a 2nd…

Forum: NHL TradesJul. 7, 2022 at 10:27 p.m.

Thread: (TOR/CHI) - Mrázek + 2022 1st round pick for 2022 2nd round pick

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Nathaniel</b></div><div>Yay, no more Abruzzese, Mrazek, and a first for a fifth!</div></div>

I’ll give you Bracco and a 2nd to take that back.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 10, 2022 at 6:39 p.m.

Thread: Keeping it together

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Funksoljah</b></div><div>Mrazek has negative value, no one even wanted to claim him for free last season.</div></div>

Never going to play again Ben Bishop and his $4.9mil dead contract just moved for a 7th. We can stop pretending moving Mrazek is going to take a 2nd.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 6, 2022 at 11:42 p.m.

Thread: Mrazy solution

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Byrr</b></div><div>Khudobin's 3 prior seasons: .907 2.54, .930 2.22, .923 2.57

You didn't even look before posting this did you?

The reality is that neither are good options but with the lower cap hit, less term and easier buyout, Khudobin's better worse case scenario makes him the better option by far.</div></div>

Again, who is more likely to bounce back after both having bad seasons: the 30 yr old or the 36 yr old?
If Mrazek bounces back, it’s an easy win. If he struggles next season, then the buyout situation was just delayed by a year.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 6, 2022 at 11:34 p.m.

Thread: Mrazy solution

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kjell_Forsman</b></div><div>Why not Dallas just buyout Doby ? Makes literally no sense.</div></div>

Yes, Dallas can just buy him out themselves, but then they’re left with dead cap and a roster spot to fill. They still need a back up.
It’s risk/reward. If Mrazek bounces back and plays like the goalie he’s been in the past, it’s a win. All it cost was a $3.3m dead contract. If he struggles again, then the buyout situation was delayed by a year. Not a win, but not a loss.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 6, 2022 at 11:26 p.m.

Thread: Mrazy solution

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Byrr</b></div><div>Based on what? Khudobin has recently had very successful seasons including a long. cup finals, playoff run. If we take the last 3-4 seasons, Khudobin has actually outshined Mrazek. Him ending the season in the minors doesn't really mean much when Mrazek would have spent a long time in the minors as well if Toronto had a 3rd option like Dallas did.</div></div>

Based on numbers.
That cup run was the 19-20 season. He’s 36 and just finished 9 GP 3.63 GAA and 0.879%
Mrazek’s bad year was 20 GP 3.38 GAA and 0.888%
Prior to that he had 3 straight seasons with 2.05-2.69 GAA and 0.905-0.923%
Tell me Doby’s the better option with a straight face.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 6, 2022 at 11:02 p.m.

Thread: Mrazy solution

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Byrr</b></div><div>It will make more sense when you answer my original question, why would they want to use Mrazek as a backup rather than Khudobin when Khudobin is less of a risk...the buyout?</div></div>

Khudobin is worse than Mrazek’s bad year and he finished buried in the minors. At least Mrazek has the possibility of bouncing back with a change of scenery.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 6, 2022 at 10:57 p.m.

Thread: Mrazy solution

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Byrr</b></div><div>So the Stars are going to risk a higher cap hit and a worse buyout because he's a few years younger? Not very convincing.</div></div>

Maybe this whole thing will make more sense when you wrap your head around the Stars not buying out Mrazek but using him instead.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 6, 2022 at 10:55 p.m.

Thread: Mrazy solution

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mikearky</b></div><div>Dallas is taking the worse buyout for nothing. Sure.</div></div>

They aren’t taking a buyout. They’re taking a back up. And the cost is a $3.3m contract they buried in the minors.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 6, 2022 at 10:53 p.m.

Thread: Mrazy solution

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Byrr</b></div><div>Mrazek isn't young and the Leafs waived him last season. Again, neither of those really answered the question of why they wouldn't risk having the goalie who has less of a downside.</div></div>

Mrazek is 30.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 6, 2022 at 10:47 p.m.

Thread: Mrazy solution

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Byrr</b></div><div>My immediate question would be why wouldn't Dallas risk Khudobin as their backup since he's got less of a downside ... the buyout?</div></div>

Khudobin is 36 and finished in the A. He’s done.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 5, 2022 at 12:35 p.m.

Thread: Bored

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TampaBayLightning22</b></div><div>Jack Campbell gets more money.

For that offer, Andrew Copp will sign with the NYR.

And there'res greater odds that Jakob Chychrun will be a King before Jake Muzzin.</div></div>

-Campbell wants more, but after the Driedger signing last year I think there might be hesitation to pay unproven starters
-probably, but shut up I wanted Copp
-don’t disagree, but it’s a matter of price. How many futures does LA want to give up right now?

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 15, 2022 at 1:29 p.m.

Thread: Soooo

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SomeonesOffended</b></div><div>Lyubushkin? Wouldn’t need to pay him 6M either</div></div>

He’d be an option, and a cheap one, but the goal is to upgrade that roster spot to someone better than Brodie

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 15, 2022 at 8:57 p.m.

Thread: Another

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsleaks123</b></div><div>I don’t think Soucy is an upgrade on Holl other than being taller</div></div>

I disagree. He’s better at transitions, can actually clear the crease, and has a decent point-shot. It’s an upgrade.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21, 2022 at 11:35 a.m.

Thread: What does Mark Cost

Pysyk wouldn’t cost Holl+
Could probably get him for a middling prospect like SDA

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 20, 2022 at 12:45 a.m.

Thread: Nothing flashy

Looks like I overpaid. Guessed the return well enough.

Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 4, 2021 at 2:35 p.m.

Thread: Plan the Parade

No Wendel.
Out in the 1st round.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 31, 2021 at 11:47 a.m.

Thread: leafs next yr

I’d have Simmonds in over Brooks. Rotate Brooks in every other game to give Spezza or Robertson nights off. Dermott starts.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 31, 2021 at 10:24 a.m.

Thread: Should be done now

There’s a trade coming. At least 2 of Kerfoot, Engvall, Mikhayev, and Dermott will be shipped out.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 29, 2021 at 1:49 p.m.

Thread: taking a chance on a younger player

I don’t see the value in blocking Robertson, to be honest. The kid needs ice time.

Forum: NHL SigningsJul. 28, 2021 at 1:28 p.m.

Thread: Toronto Maple Leafs signed Petr Mrázek (3 Years / $3,800,000 AAV)

I was hoping for Ullmark, who’s higher risk/reward, but I don’t mind this. It’s better for TO than any of the Kuemper trade proposals

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