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NHL Trades
Mar. 7 at 11:43 p.m.
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(PIT/CAR) - Guentzel, Smith for Bunting, Koivunen, Ponomarev, Lucius, 2024 2nd (PHI), 2024 5th (CAR)
This is almost criminal,
As a canes fan: I love it,
As a pens fan: I would like to file a police report, this type of assault should not go unpunished
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NHL Trades
Mar. 7 at 11:43 p.m.
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(PIT/CAR) - Guentzel, Smith for Bunting, Koivunen, Ponomarev, Lucius, 2024 2nd (PHI), 2024 5th (CAR)
Wow. This is an absolute fleece job by Carolina. I like Koivunen a lot, Lucius is solid, and Ponomarev is alright, but this is Jake freakin' Guentzel we are talking about. Pittsburgh doesnt even get a 1st unless Carolina makes the SCF. Feels like Dubas could've done so much better, guys like Morrow or Blake or Nadeau would've been far more fair.
For Carolina, this is the superstar they have long wanted. Guentzel is one of the best wingers in this league, and they didnt even have to give up any of their best prospects to get him. Excellent addition and he will thrive in Carolina.
For Pittsburgh, I already mentioned I really like Koivunen and I think Bunting next to Crosby will be very fun, but man this is underwhelming. I doubt Ponomarev or Lucius become much more than bottom 6ers, and they arent really guys you want to kick off your rebuild. This is going to be a tough pill to shallow for Pens fans who rightfully expected much more for a guy who gave his all to the organization for years.
The real winners here are NHL fans who are thrilled Vegas didnt land Guentzel. Heres to hoping they strike out on Buchnevich as well!
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NHL Trades
Mar. 6 at 3:48 p.m.
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(ANA/TBL/EDM) - Henrique, Carrick, 2024 7th (ANA) for Taylor, 2024 7th (TBL), 2025 5th (TBL) for 2024 1st (EDM), 2025 4th (EDM), 2025 5th (EDM)
I feel like EDM should have went after Hanifin, Seeler or Walker instead of Henrique. However this is better than nothing and McDavid/Draisaitl/Henrique/McLeod might be the best center depth in NHL.
Good for ANA getting a 1st for Henrique
Good for TBL getting an asset for a potential trade as lack of assets are a bigger problem than cap space for them.
Overall, fair deal.
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NHL Trades
Jan. 11 at 6:07 p.m.
Thread:
(ANA/PHI) - Drysdale, 2025 2nd (ANA) for Gauthier
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>Because Cutter will be the perfect compliment to their forward group and betters fits the Carlsson timeline. Obviously there's a possibility Cutter doesn't piece it together at the NHL level, but let's be honest, he's going to be great. Drysdales injury scares and the Ducks abundance of quality defense prospects (Mintyukov, Zellweger, LaCombe, Helleson, Luneau, Dioncio) makes it clear why they felt like they could move on from Jamie. Like I said, I think Drysdale will be great in Philly, I absolutely love the fit between those two teams, but the Ducks did very well here.</div></div>
You say did very well but they overpaid for an unproven player. You say "Let's be honest, he's going to be great", and ya know for all intents and purposes yeah, he probably will be good but there's a chance he isn't good. Or can't figure it out. Or becomes Zegras part 2 like what you think he's having a good third year? Like he's just a complete unknown at the next level. You seem to think he's guaranteed to be great but there is no guarantee of that. He is much more of an unknown than Drysdale is.
Drysdale, right this exact second, makes Philly a much better team than a guy who was being...cantankerous....about playing for them. They also got an extra pick, most likely in the 30s, where it's pretty clear you can still find legit NHL players. In fact, most of those Ducks prospects you mentioned were 2nd rd picks.
Minty is good but he's a player now he ain't getting sent down. He was #10 in his draft year. LaCombe might be better later but as of right now he plays a lot and is -20 something so he's more like a prospect getting NHL time. He was a guy picked in the 30s. The rest are not even close to being anything other than potentially NHL caliber D guys. But Luneau and Zellweger were also 2nd rd picks in the 30s.
Drysdale has top 4 potential and is already on a solid deal. I get where you're coming from, the future. This deal in the long run will of course come down to how each players career unfolds.
If Cutter turns out to be a stellar player for the Ducks so be it, but as it stands right now, the Ducks overpaid for an unproven prospect. If anybody cleaned up its Philly to get the extra draft pick most likely somewhere in the 30s.
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NHL Trades
Jan. 8 at 10:11 p.m.
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(ANA/PHI) - Drysdale, 2025 2nd (ANA) for Gauthier
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>Yeah, anybody fiercely taking one side or the other is probably just being optimistic at this point. We won't know who won this trade for a good long while. Hell, we may need to wait until they're done playing.</div></div>
this is the right answer but is not any fun
Philly wins because their hand was forced and that is a pretty incredible return for a forced hand. Not sure what they could have done regardless of what Gauthier turns out to be.
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NHL Trades
Jan. 8 at 8:02 p.m.
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(ANA/PHI) - Drysdale, 2025 2nd (ANA) for Gauthier
This is going to be a juicy trade to revisit
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NHL Trades
Jan. 8 at 7:49 p.m.
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(ANA/PHI) - Drysdale, 2025 2nd (ANA) for Gauthier
Bro didn't want to play for Philledelpia, and they got that much for him? That's a win for the Phylers I'd say.
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NHL Trades
Jan. 8 at 7:40 p.m.
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(ANA/PHI) - Drysdale, 2025 2nd (ANA) for Gauthier
This is going to be a trade you have to revisit in 5 years to see how it shook out. Gauthier's a solid prospect and Drysdale had a rough couple years but could still be a good top 2 defenseman.
Flyers "win" right now because they got tangible returns on someone who wasn't going to play for them.
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NHL Trades
Jan. 8 at 7:27 p.m.
Thread:
(ANA/PHI) - Drysdale, 2025 2nd (ANA) for Gauthier
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Jan. 8 at 7:26 p.m.
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(ANA/PHI) - Drysdale, 2025 2nd (ANA) for Gauthier
WOWWWWW. I'M LOSING MY MIND. CUTTER DIDN'T WANT TO PLAY FOR US AND DANNY TURNED AROUND AND SAID "OH YEAH?" AND BROUGHT US DRYSDALE. WOWWWW.
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NHL Trades
Jun. 6, 2023 at 8:04 p.m.
Thread:
(CBJ/LAK/PHI) - 2023 1st (LAK), 2024 2nd (CBJ) for Petersen, Walker, Grans, 2024 2nd (LAK) for Provorov, Hodgson, Connauton
This is really two separate trades that were combined into one so Philadelphia wouldn’t have to burn one of their salary retention slots.
The first trade is Provorov from Philadelphia to Columbus with $2M retained for a 1st and a 2nd. This seems like fair value for Provorov given that he’s still pretty young and has two years left on his contract, but is overpaid at $6.75M cap hit. It makes sense for Philadelphia if they’ve decided to rebuild or even if they’ve just decided to move on from him. I don’t think Columbus wants to rebuild after spending all that money on Gaudreau, so it’s a fair price for a player who probably makes them better.
The other trade is pretty much a straight cap dump – LA giving Walker, a prospect and a 2nd to Philly for two minor leaguers to dump $3M of Petersen’s cap hit. (LA could have retained on Petersen instead of Provorov – it makes no difference to them because both players have 2 years left on their contracts – so this didn’t need to be part of a 3-way trade.) LA can do better things with that cap hit, but the price seems a little high given that he was in the minors, which reduces what they save to less than $2M. They save more by including Walker, but I don’t think he’s overpaid enough to call him a dump, and whether he actually saves them anything will depend on how they replace him. The fact that Philadelphia is taking a cap dump looks like a rebuild move, but Walker will play for them (though he could be flipped at the deadline if they don’t extend him, possibly for a 3rd), and their scouts may think that Petersen still has a chance to regain some of his old form with a change of scenery.
It'll be interesting to see what these teams do next. Is this the start of a housecleaning in Philadelphia? Will Columbus make more short-term additions? How will LA spend their cap space?
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NHL Trades
Jun. 6, 2023 at 6:41 p.m.
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(CBJ/LAK/PHI) - 2023 1st (LAK), 2024 2nd (CBJ) for Petersen, Walker, Grans, 2024 2nd (LAK) for Provorov, Hodgson, Connauton
Fantastic start by Briere
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NHL Trades
Jun. 6, 2023 at 6:10 p.m.
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(CBJ/LAK/PHI) - 2023 1st (LAK), 2024 2nd (CBJ) for Petersen, Walker, Grans, 2024 2nd (LAK) for Provorov, Hodgson, Connauton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>drewjenkins</b></div><div><strong>What TF are you talking about?</strong>
<strong>Philly traded Provorov for a ....</strong>
- <strong>1ST</strong> (22nd)
- <strong>2nd</strong> (2024)
- <strong>2nd</strong> (2024)
- <strong>2nd</strong> <em>(Helge Grans)</em>
- <strong>2nd</strong> <em>(Sean Walker's estimated value if they decide to flip him and retain 50%)</em>
- They did take on Petersen's cap dump, but they didn't retain anything on Provorov.
- And they're rebuilding right now, so Petersen's deal will expire without affecting them.
<strong>Provorov isn't that good.
This is YOOOOGE value.</strong></div></div>
I've seen a Canucks fan refuse a 1st and 3rd for Boeser with no retention. The amount of galaxy brain is never in short supply here.
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NHL Trades
Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:12 p.m.
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(CBJ/LAK/PHI) - 2023 1st (LAK), 2024 2nd (CBJ) for Petersen, Walker, Grans, 2024 2nd (LAK) for Provorov, Hodgson, Connauton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BCAPP</b></div><div>I would agree with that but it isn't what happened. But they didn't dump 5 mil. They dumped 3 mil as they had to retain 2 mil on Provorov. They paid all that to essentially dump petersen at 3 million. That's bad</div></div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>Not even Peterson at $3M. His AHL cap hit was $3.85M since he was waived. Depending on how you view Walker, they did all this to save ~$1.85M in cap.</div></div>
Your math is wrong.
People cant understand the difference between a caphit dump and a salary dump.
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NHL Trades
Jun. 6, 2023 at 4:58 p.m.
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(CBJ/LAK/PHI) - 2023 1st (LAK), 2024 2nd (CBJ) for Petersen, Walker, Grans, 2024 2nd (LAK) for Provorov, Hodgson, Connauton
Well Kings fans. I guess Rob Blake was a lot more motivated to move that Peterson contract than every Kings fan on this site thought.
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NHL Trades
Jun. 6, 2023 at 4:46 p.m.
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(CBJ/LAK/PHI) - 2023 1st (LAK), 2024 2nd (CBJ) for Petersen, Walker, Grans, 2024 2nd (LAK) for Provorov, Hodgson, Connauton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gopherit</b></div><div>wait....we can do trades now?</div></div>
You can always do trades, trades made post TDL though players can’t play in the playoffs and generally speaking, playoff teams don’t trade during the playoffs
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NHL Trades
Jun. 6, 2023 at 4:41 p.m.
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(CBJ/LAK/PHI) - 2023 1st (LAK), 2024 2nd (CBJ) for Petersen, Walker, Grans, 2024 2nd (LAK) for Provorov, Hodgson, Connauton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BruinsGM37</b></div><div>I’m neutral here. For LA, I feel like you need to get something back for what you gave up, BUT they cleared 5 million in cap. That’s something I want the Bruins to do, trade Ullmark for a pick. But don’t get fleeced like LA.</div></div>
It's worse when you realize that Cal was waived and sent to the AHL meaning his cap hit wasn't actually $5M. It was $3.85M. Cap Space is worth more than gold right now.
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NHL Trades
Jun. 6, 2023 at 4:29 p.m.
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(CBJ/LAK/PHI) - 2023 1st (LAK), 2024 2nd (CBJ) for Petersen, Walker, Grans, 2024 2nd (LAK) for Provorov, Hodgson, Connauton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AlCanal</b></div><div>Philly gets **** on again...Philly only gets a late 1st (#22), Philly takes on a bad Contract (5M Petersen), Philly loses one of its best trading assets, Sean Walker is nothing to get excited about.
Philly loses this deal.</div></div>
Or, for the people who aren't cynics, PHI gets a 1st, 2 2nds, a 21 yr old defense prospect, a roster defenseman who they can flip for a little something and yeah a bad contract (for a rebuilding team, who cares).
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NHL Trades
Jun. 6, 2023 at 4:26 p.m.
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(CBJ/LAK/PHI) - 2023 1st (LAK), 2024 2nd (CBJ) for Petersen, Walker, Grans, 2024 2nd (LAK) for Provorov, Hodgson, Connauton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sparkyboi_GoCanes</b></div><div>Initial thoughts are: Great first trade for Briere, CBJ meh, and LAK gets a little cap space.
For Philly I love the deal, they get a cap dump in Petersen but they're rebuilding so it's whatever. I like Sean Walker, I think he's a solid cheap top 4 D that they can easily flip, Grans could turn into something (Idk much about him personally), and a 1st rounder in a absolutely stacked draft. And two 2nd's is also just an amazing bonus to go along with this, would be even better if they were in the 2023 draft.
For CBJ, I don't really get the point. They do get Provorov retained for a 4.725 cap hit (which is a great contract), but for a likely higher 1st and a 2nd rounder I wouldn't do it. Hell, even Sean Walker isn't far off from Provorov's skill either so just weird.
For LAK, I simply don't like it. They do get some valuable cap space, but for everything they gave up to do so is just absurd. They retained 2 mil on Provorov, and of <strong>course dumped Petersen's awful contract but only for 3 mil (from retainment)</strong>. I get that this gives them some extra money to play with (and also to extend Gavrikov), but not one of Blake's best trades.
Curious to see where Hart goes too......hopefully Briere doesn't follow up this trade with a terrible one.</div></div>
It's actually not even $3M. Peterson was in the AHL with a cap hit of $3.85M...$1.15M less. So LAK are really only gaining ~$1.8M in cap space if we're just talking about Peterson and the retention.
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Jun. 6, 2023 at 4:22 p.m.
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(CBJ/LAK/PHI) - 2023 1st (LAK), 2024 2nd (CBJ) for Petersen, Walker, Grans, 2024 2nd (LAK) for Provorov, Hodgson, Connauton
Los Angeles Kings:
Paid Helge Grans + 2024 2nd to dump Cal Petersen ---- Fine
Traded Sean Walker for Ivan Provorov's salary retention + a couple of AHL scrubs ---- Awful
Kings lose the trade
Columbus Blue Jackets:
Traded #22 overall pick + 2024 2nd for Ivan Provorov at 4.725 million x 2 ---- Good
Blue Jackets win the trade
Philadelphia Flyers:
Traded Ivan Provorov without being the team that retains his salary for #22 overall + 2024/2025 2nd ---- Good
Traded a couple of AHL scrubs for Sean Walker ---- Good
Received Helge Grans + 2024 2nd for taking Cal Petersen ---- Fine
Flyers win the trade
In conclusion ...
Flyers and Blue Jackets win the trade
Kings lose the trade
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NHL Trades
Jun. 6, 2023 at 4:09 p.m.
Thread:
(CBJ/LAK/PHI) - 2023 1st (LAK), 2024 2nd (CBJ) for Petersen, Walker, Grans, 2024 2nd (LAK) for Provorov, Hodgson, Connauton
Did LA really use Grans Helge and a 2nd to dump off Petersen?
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NHL Trades
Jun. 6, 2023 at 3:58 p.m.
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(CBJ/LAK/PHI) - 2023 1st (LAK), 2024 2nd (CBJ) for Petersen, Walker, Grans, 2024 2nd (LAK) for Provorov, Hodgson, Connauton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BCAPP</b></div><div>Your analysis acts like walker had negative value. It's poor asset management</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>phillyjabroni</b></div><div>He may have positive value somewhere, but the value of an additional 2.65M to spend on other areas rather than a 3rd pairing defensemen this year is what they are paying for. The opportunity cost is what they are getting in return.</div></div>
There's reason to believe that the Flyers D corps actually got better through this trade:
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Jun. 6, 2023 at 3:55 p.m.
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(CBJ/LAK/PHI) - 2023 1st (LAK), 2024 2nd (CBJ) for Petersen, Walker, Grans, 2024 2nd (LAK) for Provorov, Hodgson, Connauton
PHI could likely get a little something for Walker half retained at the deadline on top of all this. Tidy work for a rookie GM.
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NHL Trades
Jun. 6, 2023 at 3:51 p.m.
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(CBJ/LAK/PHI) - 2023 1st (LAK), 2024 2nd (CBJ) for Petersen, Walker, Grans, 2024 2nd (LAK) for Provorov, Hodgson, Connauton
The offseason is indeed starting off with a bang. Pretty fair deal all around. Columbus gets another top/second pair LHD to help with Werenski, parting with a surplus 1st round pick and early 2nd rounder. The price might be a tad steep, but the market was set with Chychrun from earlier this season. Hopefully gets Provorov to bounce back to his good days by giving him a steady defensive parter.
For LA, the numbers are what matter here. They take on an effective $9,212,500 in real money in exchange for $5,625,000 in cap savings in 23-24 and $2,975,000 in savings in 24-25. Taking from its surplus of prospects, moving Helge Grans and 54th overall to create valuable cap space (opportunity cost) to help solidify its team as a true contender in the West.
And for Philadelphia, man does Danny B hit a homerun. Able to move a player that doesn’t fit the culture or window and save those Comcast big wigs almost 3 million is quite the deal. 22nd, 2 future 2nd round picks, and Grans for Provorov and taking on an additional cap space of $900,000 this year and saving $1,750,000 the next? He gets to replenish the picks lost from the Fletcher area and still has key trade chips (Hart, Konecny, Hayes) to play with?
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKzuWpQLt-w&t=159s" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">The glory days will return</a>
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Jun. 6, 2023 at 3:47 p.m.
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(CBJ/LAK/PHI) - 2023 1st (LAK), 2024 2nd (CBJ) for Petersen, Walker, Grans, 2024 2nd (LAK) for Provorov, Hodgson, Connauton
Philly: Gets really good value for Prov, even though they take Petty as well
LA: Receives valuable cap space
Columbus: What the heck are they doing
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