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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 13, 2022 at 2:37 a.m.
Thread: Chytil is gone for right price
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Fotiu4U</b></div><div>With the status of Copp and Strome most likely leaving in free agency, it makes more sense than ever to keep Chytil to at worst case center the 3rd line and move up to 2C if they can't find a 2C in free agency or via trade. I would be fine trading him in a package deal for a true 2C, but short of that, there is no reason to move him yet. He is only 22 and showed signs of real development during the playoffs. He is signed for 1 more year at a reasonable cost. Money for a 2C is available because Strome leaving frees up $4.5 million plus buying out or trading Nemeth gives them plenty to sign a 2C, without off loading Chytil's $2.3m. Also, the proposed return for him in your trade may as well be a bag of pucks, so it can't hurt to keep him and see if the development he showed in the playoffs will continue. If so, he could very well be the answer at 2C. It would hate to trade him for squat and then see him become something good for another team.</div></div>

He scored 8 goals in the regular season and played decently well for 20 games. The main concern with him is consistency in an 82 game season. He obviously elevated him game in the playoffs as everyone does, but he sucks defensively and doesn’t produce enough. Yah I get it, keep it for 1 year let his contract die out and see what he does next season. I am only speaking right now and how they can use his stock to sell him to free up space for a solidified 2C and find a cheap 3/4C. That trade is null and void, I don’t know what GM’s believe his worth is, I’m not trying to think of that because I have no idea, but you’re crazy to think he returns a 1st or a 2nd and so is any GM that believes that as well, especially with 2 very good drafts coming up.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 12, 2022 at 3:08 a.m.
Thread: Cup checklist
Thank you for the outline. I don't have a subscription, but it seems like this one may have been a decent read.

You're for sure spot on with a lot of things. The Rangers have a good team, but the young Dcore hurts with experience as some guys are still trying to find their way. Miller is great but he still needs to show that consistency into next year. All hail Fox, but he is a terrible skate IMO and it really showed in the ECF/against Carolina when the better skating teams came to play. Trouba is fine, not worth his money IMO, but he leads the backend. Lindgren is a tool shed and you know what you will get out of him every night. Schneider still needs time and play a full season. 5/6 D now needs to be refilled and Braun/Nemeth are not the guys to do it. I am not sure what they are going to do with Nemeth (maybe just bite the bullet and buy him out), but they need a more than capable 3rd pairing Dman to help Schneider and play more of a defensive role. Unfortunately you can't bring up one of the young guys, they will need to find a steady eddy 3rd pairing guy on the UFA market.

Chytil i disagree with you on all levels. I have said this since the Rangers drafted him and I don't like him as a player at all. He is super inconsistent, goes on major scoring droughts, doesn't produce, loses assignments in the Dzone on a nighly basis, and sometimes just runs around with his head cut off. Yah he works hard and YES IK he had a "Decent" playoff (half his goals were awful and should have never happened. I know this doesn't matter because a goal is a goal), but he was also a -2. He had one 20 game stretch where he played a somewhat consistent game and everyone that I have seen is in love with him and say he needs to be 2C. IMO he is a 3C at best and the Rangers need to find a 2C on the market. If they don't do that and make him 2C, they will be in trouble because of the things listed above and the sheer fact that he is atrocious in the faceoff circle (He is a winger as I have said since day 1).

Sorry to rain on the parade, I think you did a great job explaining everything and I agreed with most of what you said, but those two things were questionable. Other than that, I enjoyed the read for sure.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 12, 2022 at 2:51 a.m.
Thread: Chytil is gone for right price
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Fotiu4U</b></div><div>If that is all Chytil can return than no sense in trading him. IMO, he is worth more than that, and I don't have a problem trading him, but not at that little a return.</div></div>

What do you think he is worth then? To trade him, I guarantee the Rangers are looking for a 1st or a 2nd which IMO they will not get for him and they will have to attach another prospect in order to get a 1st back. The sense in trading him is taking his $2.3 off the books to go out and get a 2C. It is either that or just stick with him and make him 2C next year full-time and if he sucks, sell him for a bag of pucks at the deadline which will hurt his stock and what he can sell for currently since he was a 7th overall....
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 11, 2022 at 4:15 a.m.
Thread: Chytil is gone for right price
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Fotiu4U</b></div><div>Chytil trade is terrible for the Rangers and no chance you sign Copp or Vatrano at those numbers.</div></div>

Copp cannot be more than $5.5mil. for 5 years max. Vatrano i get, that one isn't way off but I am sure he wants to see 3.5-4mil and the Rangers can't afford that.

Chytil trade isn't terrible for a guy who has under performed in his 5 regular seasons. He had one good 20 game stretch of playoff games. They either give him his 2nd line center role everyone has been talking about or they get rid of him and find a more suitable guy in that role (Copp). Idk what his value is, but Crookshank is an up-incoming player that could potentially do very well or he could be a complete bust. A 3rd and 4th round i thought would be okay for him as a player. The 1st or 2nd round in return is a no go. That will not happen, his stock is not worth that much right now unless he has a season with 40+ points next year.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 5, 2022 at 8:34 p.m.
Thread: What I have seen on numerous Sites
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BreadmanGetsPaid</b></div><div>Over the last 2 seasons
Chytil: 109GP-16G- 44P- 13:20 AVG TOI. Most common linemates; Lafrenière, Gauthier, Kakko, Goodrow.

Monahan: 115GP- 18G- 51P- 16:04 AVG TOI. Most common linemates; Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Lindholm, Dube.

One is an ascending player who played well in a limited role while the other has looked washed for 2-3 seasons. Flipping Chytil for Monahan would he patently insane.</div></div>

Monahan had two injuries the last two seasons so you cannot go off of that.

Chytil was given a limited role because he didn't produce in a top role. IMO he is a 3C and the Rangers are going to continue to waste money on a guy who I think will not get any better than that.

Also, Thanks to instat (my team and I use it) and their line tracking capabilities. Monahan played half the season with Lucic, Dube, Ritchie, and Toffoli. He did play with Tkachuk and Mangiapane but barely played with Johnny. Yes, Chytil played in a third-line role, but he just doesn't produce. Don't get me wrong, I think he played decently well in the playoffs, but that is a stretch of 20 games. Can he be that consistent for a full 82-game track? I don't think he can. IMO it's better to sell now while his stock is a bit higher.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 4, 2022 at 4:23 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 4, 2022 at 4:19 p.m.
Thread: What I have seen on numerous Sites
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Fox_Czar_Cup</b></div><div>Chytil &gt;&gt;&gt; Mona</div></div>

Chytil had a good 20 game playoff and that was about it. His regular season was not very good at all. Especially for someone who has played almost 300 games. Unless he has a great year next year and produces more offensively, he is not worth resigning. I have hope for him because he is still young, but IMO his window is closing quickly on becoming a full-time 2C in NY. Monahan is a very good player when healthy and produces offensively 3-4 times more than Chytil does. They can get him at a discounted price for 1 year and if he plays well, they reap the benefits. If he doesn't then its a 1 year rental and they will need to find a new 2C again the following year.

The way I really see this going is Copp is signed for medium term and he becomes the 2C. Chytil and Kakko have both been linked to separate trade rumors (even though they are only rumors) which means Drury I believe wants to use their good playoff runs to oversell them. Doesn't mean these two won't be good players in the future, but if it takes a player 5-6 years to get better, is he really worth having in your everyday roster?
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 16, 2022 at 9:37 a.m.
Thread: NYR in my OPINION
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jimbo1119</b></div><div>Don't disagree with your frustration towards Chytl...I'm just not ready to sell low on him. The biggest challenge in this CAP era is balancing out the lineup. Of course you need guys making big money (and also have to justify their salary), need journeymen (reclamation projects) on bottom $, and need players on ELC's (hopefully developing onto the next wave of big $ guys). Problem with guys on ELC's- consistency can be one of the biggest things young guys struggle with...so patience is required! And the million dollar question becomes: when to cut the cord and move on?? I'm not there yet with Chytl- if he could (for starters) improve at the dot...that alone would avoid "going right to defense and puck retrieval" on many shifts. And with effort (and experience) most players can make improvements at the FO circle.</div></div>

I also don't want Drury to wait for him to develop more and Chytil never to develop + he will need a new contract after next season which can be a problem if they don't extend Laf and Miller over the summer. Drury needs to extend both before they have a breakout year and ask for more and cause more issues with the cap. I agree with you 100%. Chytil right now is a 3C in my opinion. He has a lot of things he doesn't use to the best of his abilities. Size, Speed, Length. He has shown he can shoot the puck, but he never just throws the puck to the net unless it's a Grade A opportunity. I think he can be good, he needs to put it together soon. Agreed, face-offs he needs to improve, all-around compete level needs more consistency from game to game, overall dzone awareness, etc.

Hopefully he has a good summer and maybe works more 1 on 1 with video coach. We will see, I am excited to see what the summer brings for this team.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 16, 2022 at 8:25 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 16, 2022 at 8:23 a.m.
Thread: NYR in my OPINION
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Salzy</b></div><div>Yeah that isnt close to getting Terry

The Ducks need RW arguably the most out of any team in the league, when you make trades you need to look at the needs of both teams

Troy Terry is legitimately untouchable honestly

And you claim Gibson wants out even though he himself said those reports are false and he wants to spend his entire career in ANA</div></div>

I knew that they needed RW's. I wasn't looking at that and more of the Ranger's needs or what I would want them to do etc.

The trade is not good and not even close to what it would need to be for Terry and I knew that going in.

Yes I read that about Gibson. Ive read a lot about it from different people saying he wants out to contenders and he wants to stay and build with Anaheim etc.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 16, 2022 at 8:19 a.m.
Thread: NYR in my OPINION
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jimbo1119</b></div><div>Terry seems to be a late bloomer...but seems to have arrived. And he's cost controlled a few more years. So I don't think he's a player teams look to move. That said- it would take a gross overpay to move the needle. 2 players who aren't exactly at the pinnacle of their value... and a pick with a low % condition attached isn't gonna do it. Don't think Verbeek picks up the phone unless he hears whispers NYR are dangling LaF, Othmann, Kakko,and/or 2023 1st (w/o conditions).

Real quick on Chytl...I'm in the "camp" that sees him as needing more time to continue developing. Had a rough season- but playoffs showed what he's capable of. It's up to him to take it to the next level- which includes become more consistent and improve on FO's (an acquired skill which through off season effort can be improved significantly). As much as Chytl has struggled, his pts/60 has always been in very good company. This tells me he needs more of a chance to play. IF Chytl can build on the playoff he had and can show progress in the improvements he needs to make- his value will increase exponentially and he still has a few more years to continue developing. But moving him now would probably involve selling low.</div></div>

I 100% agree. Troy Terry is a good player 100% and that trade will never happen in a million years. It was more me just looking around for the Ranger's needs and they need a RW that can play with Zib and Kreids. Laf and Kakko can play in that role as long as they play as they did in the playoffs on a more consistent basis.

I just do not like Chytil at all. Guy had 8 goals in the regular season and each goal was a month apart. I understand it's not always scoring goals, but if the Rangers want to contend for a Stanley Cup, he needs to grossly progress. He had a good playoff and I am taking none of that away from him. Sometimes he is just such a perimeter player, he just loses assignments in Dzone. From an analytics standpoint, his numbers are like that because he didn't have a great season and didn't play much in some games (i.e. 10 minutes a night).

Consistency is what the Rangers need from the 3 young guys.