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Forum: Armchair-GM12 hours ago

Thread: Marner

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MarkWinnipeg</b></div><div>I’m not sure. Maybe there is something I’m missing but I see that contract hurting the jets as soon as 2021-2022. I might be over reacting but from what I’ve seen of johansen, he isn’t nearly the player he was back when he got that contract.

If I’m the jets I’m calling for domi and cirelli first</div></div>

I'm a touch warry of Cirelli he was on pace for 53 points playing with kutch and then stamkos. Point lit it up last year to and fell off. Domi has that one really good season then fell back. Same with Strome not sure how much better any of them will be then Little if he's healthy. Any of the three are going to cost, I'd go with the big center with six consistent seasons and bet on him bouncing back. Believe Duchenne got the top wingers most of the season and we have four of those[/quote]

Cirelli was playing on Tampa’s 3rd line for half the season then got bumped up to the 2nd. Yes he generally had one of kuch or stammer with him but the other guy was either palat or killorn. He would on average have at least the equal talent with him on the jets and he’s only 23. Imo he will only get better. I think he hits 60 pts next season with good linemates. You also have to realize that cirelli’s bread and butter is his defensive game, not his production. He will also cost less than johansen clearly and there isn’t a big fear of him declining during his contract like there is with johansen.

As for domi, again linemates were an issue. Losing drouin for most of the season really hurt him as he was playing with lekonen and Byron for most of the seasons I think he has more to offer. 60-65 pts imo and he won’t come with the fear of him declining to a point where he’s no where near worth his contract.

I really like dylan strome and I know that I overrate him so im not going to go there. But I do see him realistically being a perennial 60 pt guy with the jets. So same deal as domi and Cirelli.

Even with duchene getting foresberg and arvidsson, craig smith (50+ pt winger imo) was consistently a linemate and so was jarnkrok. Imo, for this asking price, he shoudl have at least had over 36 pts. I don’t care how defense first our team is.

Therefore, personally, the signs of johansen declining are too much to give up this much for him. Decrease the price to say, 2021 1st, Stanley, and a 2nd and for sure I’d do it. I know I’m being picky, but for me it’s either gustavsson or the 2nd, not both, or no deal

Forum: Armchair-GM14 hours ago

Thread: Marner

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KakkoForMauriceRichardAward</b></div><div>Don't forget that NSH plays a very tight, defensive style of hockey. I'm 100% convinced he gets 65+ pts in WIN</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MarkWinnipeg</b></div><div>Playing between Ehlers and Laine or Connor and Wheeler definitely.</div></div>

[qquote=MarkWinnipeg;1612974]That's what top six centers make these days[/quote]

I’m not sure. Maybe there is something I’m missing but I see that contract hurting the jets as soon as 2021-2022. I might be over reacting but from what I’ve seen of johansen, he isn’t nearly the player he was back when he got that contract.

If I’m the jets I’m calling for domi and cirelli first

Forum: Armchair-GM15 hours ago

Thread: Marner

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MarkWinnipeg</b></div><div>Done deal then call up your gm</div></div>

I’m still not convinced. Maybe make it gus or the 2nd, not both. Even then I’m reluctant to play johansen 7M until he’s 33 (as said above). The guy doesn’t seem to be on the right track in terms of decline

Forum: Armchair-GM15 hours ago

Thread: Marner

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KakkoForMauriceRichardAward</b></div><div>Oh no sorry my man I meant it to be a 2021 1st rounder... sorry my bad</div></div>

Oh k. Still think it’s a little too rich though. Maybe make is gustavsson or the 2nd, not both?

Forum: Armchair-GM15 hours ago

Thread: Marner

The jets aren’t paying a top 10 pick in a very deep draft, an 21 year old nhl ready c (with plenty of unlocked potential imo), a 2nd, and Stanley (a guy I do not want in the central once he makes the nhl) for johansen. That is absurd. That’s a star level package and I’m sorry but johansen is no star

Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 2:06 pm

Thread: What do you think

The jets have no incentive to do this. Laine is the reason they need a 2c

Forum: Fauteuil - DGTue at 6:15 pm

Thread: Based on two previous trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>math731</b></div><div>Domi is an elite playmaker... Playing the whole year with Weal and Lehkonen doesnt translate into a lot of points. Playing with Laine and or Wheelers will</div></div>

First of all domi isn’t an elite playmaker, wheeler is an elite playmaker (well he’s declining now but you get the idea). Come back when he is top 10 in the league in assists, then he is an elite playmaker. He is a good playmaker sure, but not worth moving ehlers as I and many jets fans have said multiple times, but for some reason so many mtl And buf fans just don’t get that.

Forum: Fauteuil - DGTue at 5:39 pm

Thread: Based on two previous trades

Jets decline. The perfect 2c is an elite playmaker which domi is not. Domi is not worth giving up ehlers for the jets

Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 5:15 pm

Thread: Full offseason

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>Why do Carolina move up? Our prospect pool is already full of great skaters, and Askarov isn't gonna be there at 12. We have Bokk, Suzuki, Rees, Puistola, Slepts and just a load of great explosive forwards already. They're not trading up to take someone like Lucas Raymond.</div></div>

There is quite the difference between jack quinn (who could be an elite player) and say Jan Mysak and mavrick bourque. Quinn would instantly be your best prospect and there is a good chance askarov will still be on the board. The only reason I’m trading away from there is because there aren’t many centers ranked in that range.

Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 3:21 am

Thread: Retool if Bust vs CBJ

Jets and OTT decline, Tampa accepts imo
Not giving enough on both the Ottawa and Winnipeg trades. The Tampa one makes sense for Tampa, but I doubt the leafs would move liljegren

Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 4:04 pm

Thread: 2021 idea

No incentive for the jets to do that pens trade. They aren’t taking on that much cap for virtually no reason. Lowry is a playoff beast and is one of the only guys who helps out the d and has size. Really good for making up for some of our smaller pairings

The leafs trade doesn’t make too much sense either. Roslovic is doing very well right now. I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets c time soon. Could become the true 2c we are looking for. Kerfoot isn’t a 2c and Johnson is nice but not worth that package imo

So neither trade really pushes the needle enough for the jets for them to pull the trigger

Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 4:00 pm

Thread: Winnipeg - Montreal blockbuster - MTL

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Richard88</b></div><div>Someone who might top out as a 7D isn't a "lock". He could easily just be a bubble/AHL depth Dman at best.</div></div>

Realistically, he will be a regular. But depnding in depth at the nhl level, he could be 7th d. Like forbort for the flames or fleury for the canes. He won’t “top out” as a 7th d but he will be an nhl defensemen. What I’m trying to say is that he will make the nhl, just when and in what capacity is to be determined.

Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 1:57 pm

Thread: What My Lines Are

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Carterman13</b></div><div>Why not get harkins this experience</div></div>

I don’t want to say harkins doesn’t deserve it, but Roslovic is more deserving of being tried out at c. He has spent the last few seasons locking down his defensive game and now it is pretty good. He has speed and insane playmaking skills and puck control, and can finish too. He is the perfect center for laine if he can move to c (if if maurice moves him to c). It’s better than playing eakin there. At least Roslovic will help with the offence.

Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 1:54 pm

Thread: What My Lines Are

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Carterman13</b></div><div>He’s the kind of player who isn’t great at anything and isn’t bad at anything. He can play anywhere in the lineup.</div></div>

Exactly, will be a good piece to have long term if Roslovic moves to c. However if he doesn’t, the jets will have to choose between him, appleton, and Roslovic. I think Roslovic is already ahead but he may price himself out

Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 1:52 pm

Thread: Projected Lines Game 2

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Carterman13</b></div><div>I used Illegal Curve. But yeah I saw that</div></div>

Yeah I saw the desc. Just wanted to point it out

Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 1:51 pm

Thread: What My Lines Are

U really like harkins huh?
I think he can be a top 6 player but playing him at 1c is a little much. Realistically I see him as a middle six lw/c. So like copp but with more finishing and playmaking ability. Roslovic is already top 6 on most teams. The jets should try him out at c for the next few games

Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 1:49 pm

Thread: Projected Lines Game 2

Per the nhl.com pregame report, it’s:
Connor-wheeler-ehlers
Perreault-eakin-Roslovic
Copp-Lowry-appleton
Harkins-shore-bourque

Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 1:35 pm

Thread: Winnipeg - Montreal blockbuster - MTL

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Richard88</b></div><div>A Dman that projects as a possible replacement level 7D isn't what you'd call a "lock" to be an NHL Dman.

The market for LHD's this offseason will be pretty good so if you wanted to go that route you could probably land someone decent, but Winnipeg isn't exactly a hot destination for free agents so you likely won't be the first choice of most of the better FA's and may have to overpay a bit in term and AAV.</div></div>

Edmundson is from Manitoba so he seems like a strong possibility. I said he is a lock to make the nhl. Just don’t know in what capacity

Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 4:14 am

Thread: Winnipeg

The jets don’t do any of these. They are all overpayments. The Vegas and Chicago trades are especially bad. The jets don’t have any incentive to move Connor l, but if they did, you can bet it would be for a whole lot more.

De haan isn’t worth that much. I would be surprised if he got a 3rd, let alone a 2nd and a 4th

Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 10:38 pm

Thread: Winnipeg - Montreal blockbuster - MTL

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Richard88</b></div><div>Who said Zadorov is worth a 1st?

Stanley has no value to Colorado because he's a poor skater. Avs can do better than WIN 2021 2nd + Stanley. It would take more for Winnipeg to get him within the division.</div></div>

Stanley is a lock to be an nhl d-man and he isn’t a poor skater. He’s just below average and he is getting much better every offseason. He will make the nhl, the question is that if it’s as a 7th d, 3rd pairing d, or top 4

He has a very good shot and has good top end speed. It’s just the pivots that hurt him and as I said before, he has come miles from his draft year. I wouldn’t really pay much more for him. A 2nd and a b prospect (not b+). Otherwise there are other options like edmundson and dillon

Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 10:08 pm

Thread: Hear me out Laf Dobson Cirelli

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>My understanding is that Winnipeg's second-round pick is virtually locked in at #48 and Detroit's third-rounder is #63. That's only a half-round upgrade, and I don't think that persuades Yzerman to take Perreault and Hickey off your hands.</div></div>

It’s gonna be 43 i think. But yeah maybe add a prospect like Stanley.

Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 10:05 pm

Thread: Winnipeg - Montreal blockbuster - MTL

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Richard88</b></div><div>Guessing Winnipeg would be more keen on Zadorov now. He was a huge factor against Calgary last year and manhandled Tkachuk in particular.</div></div>

Still not for the preposterous price of a 1st. Like I don’t understand how someone can even value him at that. I would be willing to do a 2021 2nd and a prospect like Stanley though. I always have. But the avs apparently won’t move him within the division.

Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 3:56 pm

Thread: Hear me out Laf Dobson Cirelli

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AndrewLadd</b></div><div>I see what ur saying, I don’t think Dobson would be the target though. Maybe Jokiharju or Lundkqvist could work, but I’m not sure. I think I’d hold onto Samberg and Heinola for another season to see how each progress</div></div>

I think that unless they can get a prospect for prospect swap like this, they should let them both play out their elc’s, then make a decision

Same thing with lunquvist though, he isn’t big. Jokiharju isn’t really big either and buffalo won’t move him

Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 3:02 pm

Thread: Lines without mark

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>draft_em_sign_em_trade_em</b></div><div>The last 10 games are usually when the pretenders decide to tank for the higher draft pick....I would suggest a 80 game season and a 3 game qualifier for team 7 V 10 and team 8 V 9. Sure every owner will have to sacrifice one home game, but it'll open 4 NHL teams to at least see 1 playoff home game.</div></div>

The problem is that it wouldn’t be just one game. If woudl be a series, at which point it gets to be too much. Potentially 28 games in 1.5 months is already a lot towards the end for the winning team. I don’t think 20 teams is a good idea

Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 2:59 pm

Thread: Hear me out Laf Dobson Cirelli

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AndrewLadd</b></div><div>Ah I didn’t see that, but I think if you pair one of them with DeMelo, it’s fine, he’ll protect his partner, and put Pionk w the other one. I don’t think that’s bad. And if you can package Samberg with others for a good 2C, Jets r set for a while</div></div>

It will be fine for the regular season but when it comes to playoffs, the backend is too small imo. However, if heinola is willing to move to his offside, then there are no issues imo. A top 4 of:
JoMo-pionk
Samberg-heinola
This would be very good imo. Size shouldn't be much of an issue. But that’s only if heinola is willing to move to his off side
Could also do something like
JoMo-pionk
Heinola-______
The blank would be a bigger rd (a la Dobson/pulock)

The d needs to be fixed before the 2c position though.

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