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Forum: Armchair-GM4 hours ago
Thread: What if Boston drafted right in 2015
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ON3M4N</b></div><div>If Barzal and Connor were consensus top 10 picks, how where they even available when Boston picked first at #13?

Barzal was ranked anywhere from 6th to 18th by some
Connor was ranked anywhere from 7th to 24th by some

Both guys were projected to be mid-teens picks the draft. As for the picks Boston made, Zboril wasn't a reach and went around where many thought he would. He was also ranked higher than Chabot. DeBrusk was a early/mid 20's pick, so a slight reach but not much. Seny was the biggest reach as he was slotted somewhere between 40-50 in the draft.</div></div>

Yes you are right about debrusk and zboril. I mixed them up, sorry.

There are always some rankings that put certain players way off. In general though Connor was a top 10 pick and barzal a top 15 (mostly top 10). Barzal fell because of size and health while Connor fell because he was small and hadn’t played college level yet. Those factors probably scares some teams off.

Also for you point of how they were available at 13? Guys fall every year. Perfetti fell to the jets this year. Consensus top 10 pick caufield to montreal at 15 last year. The list goes on
Forum: Armchair-GM5 hours ago
Thread: What if Boston drafted right in 2015
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Nhl_oilers</b></div><div>The thing is, that those guys they picked were good picks at the time, so you never would’ve known that two out of three picks were gonna be no good.</div></div>

All three of those picks were reached even at the time. Barzal and Connor were seen as condenses top 10 picks. In fact, Connor was a arguably a top 5 guy going in (which explains the Connor vibes when talking about perfetti) who fell.

Senyshyn was the biggest reach (projected late 20’s guy), zboril wasn’t that much of a reach but still one (projected early 20’s/late teens) while debrusk was the safe pick (was consenses top 15).

There is no justifying what happened at that draft, Boston dropped the ball really hard
Forum: Armchair-GM5 hours ago
Thread: Laine Drama
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>Again this trade came from a Leafs fan, not a Habs fan. That was only my point. They were representing the Jets which means the Jets in this ACGM were the instigators. Therefore the Jets don't get to decline LOL. The Habs won't accept anyway and your right in RL this isnt proposed but in this ACGM the Habs are the ones declining.</div></div>

You said to <a href="/users/Windjammer" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Windjammer</a> (who is a jets fan):
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>See my comment above. There is nothing for Winnipeg to decline as this proposal is on behalf of Winnipeg</div></div>

As I said before, there’s no way Winnipeg would make this offer, so it’s a moot point to even argue the point that “the jets have nothing to decline”. That’s not how it works lol

I could make a million trades form one teams side, doesn’t mean that team will even consider offering that.

If you are trying to see if montreal fans would be willing to give up this for laine, then just say that. And make the post from the montreal side lol
Forum: Armchair-GM8 hours ago
Thread: Laine Drama
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>See my comment above. There is nothing for Winnipeg to decline as this proposal is on behalf of Winnipeg</div></div>

Winnipeg isn’t making offers to teams for laine. They are not shopping him. They are listening to offers which includes counter offers of course. The jets would never make this proposal. They have perfetti as 1Bc long term so they don’t need danault. Caufield is nice but he wouldn’t last in the jets’ system imo. And Mysak might become a top 6 guy, MIGHT. Then you add a first like it’s going to make things better?

This is a classic example of quantity over quality. The jets likely want a top pairing rd back for laine or at least someone who can grow into that role. Even then, they probably look to move someone else first as there is no indication that laine wants out and he loves Winnipeg (lol yeah I’m surprised too). Anything that isn’t exactly what the jets want, the jets decline
Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 5:32 pm
Thread: Helping Tampa Out
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Chief_Kief</b></div><div>1. Compare him to other bridge deals and especially now that we are in a non-flat cap era

2. Johnson has FOUR years left and is owed almost $18M and Tampa is desperate to move him. Boychuk is owed $5.25M over the next 2 years and Komarov is owed $3,5M. if teams were asking for a 1st and a 2nd for 50% retained on MAF what makes you think a first and a third for Johnson isnt fair? Wanna add the Tampa third to the JB deal be my guest

3. Jets need defensive depth, they get a defenseman and a 6th. Hickey can still play hes just not playing over our guys</div></div>

I am comparing him to other bridge deals. A 3 year deal would be at least 7.5 since he’s better than tkachuk and about the same as point (who got less because he is with a no state income tax team and its Tampa)

If teams wanted a first and 2nd for a serviceable player like fleury what makes you think you would give any less for a drastically overpaid 3rd pairing d-man. And fleury had 2 years left, unlike boychuck. Boychuck will cost more to dump than Johnson. The fact that teams all over this site are trading for Johnson should show that he won’t be that expensive to dump. Probably a first max.

“The jets need depth defensemen” is the dumbest narrative I’ve heard on this site and it won’t end. They jets have plenty of depth. Their ahl team is stacked with near nhl ready prospects who could step in and currently are poised to have 9 defensemen competing for 8 spots max. They have plenty of depth. They don’t need overpaid depth when they will likely be scratching guys like beaulieu, forbort, and sbisa. We don’t need an overpaid hickey lol (pun intended).
Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 4:43 pm
Thread: Few More Moves
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HarterCart79</b></div><div>Now that Stastny is back I agree, they could see how it goes with Laine this season and if he can have chemistry with a different C, but all the reports and talk around this situation just make it seem like the relationship with the player and the team are at least a little sour. It could be best for both parties to move on</div></div>

I don’t think they are sour tbh. Laine wants a deserves a better role. His role as one of the best goal scorers in the league is under question because Maurice won’t play him with laine. He could easily net 40+ goals with a competent top 6 centre and laine knows that. I would be pushing for the same if I could be mentioned in the same breath as Ovie and even be called his heir. So the jets should give him what he wants.

It could also be a negotiation tactic. Chevy is notorious for being a tough negotiator so this could be a classic game of chicken much like Gallagher played with bergevin the day before he signed.

Laine’s agents could just be threatening Chevy to uo his price on contract extension talks.

That said, I think if the jets give laine what he wants, he will stay. He just wants to play with the best and he deserves it over wheeler at this point. Anyways, i think wheeler will be much more effective in 18-20 minutes than 22+ at this point in his career