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Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 15 at 12:28 a.m.
Thread: Do Better Holland
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Dobson is a nice young player that anyone would love to have, but he's riding a 1.048 PDO. Bouchard is a much better player by underlying metrics:

<a href="https://naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20232024&amp;thruseason=20232024&amp;stype=2&amp;sit=5v5&amp;score=all&amp;stdoi=oi&amp;rate=y&amp;p1=8480803&amp;p2=8480865&amp;loc=B&amp;gpfilt=none&amp;fd=&amp;td=&amp;tgp=410&amp;lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Bouchard v Dobson, 5v5 on-ice rates</a></div></div>

This is honestly embarrassing at this point. Are you still trying to suggest Bouchard’s better than Dobson?

Dobson is #2 in the league in TOI per game at 25:48 minutes
Dobson is top 10 in the league in Plus/Minus at +20
At 55 points in 53 games. Dobson is top 3 in points for a defensemen this year, top 25 point production in the league among all players this year, and he’s doing all this on the Islanders. My guy, it’s not even close. The Bouchard and Dobson debate is officially over. I could only imagine what his numbers would be like playing on Edmonton’s PP1.


He’s a top 3 favourite to take home the Norris trophy, trailing only Makar and Hughes.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 21 at 9:46 p.m.
Thread: Do Better Holland
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>9.7 what? 7.9 what? Those aren't their respective expected goal numbers. I think you're just making **** up because NST contradicts everything you say. And they're the leading authority on xG and similar stats.</div></div>

You still going to say Dobson is not better than Bouchard? Because I would argue that this season has proven that not only is Dobson better than Bouchard, but Dobson is one of the best D-Men in the league. Dobson 47 points in 45 games, on the Islanders. Also a +18 on the season. Meanwhile Bouchard, riding shotgun on the Oilers PP1 and Mcdavid and/or Draisaitl at 5 on 5. He only has 42 points in 42 games. I wonder if he’d sustain those numbers playing on the Islanders instead of the Oilers. Like it’s not even a debate at this point. Dobson has proven to be better than Bouchard not only defensively, but offensively as well.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 10, 2023 at 10:03 p.m.
Thread: Do Better Holland
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>You haven't deleted this thread yet? I'm surprised.

What I'm not surprised by is you using tiny sample sizes and +/- (!!) in your argument.

And you still haven't answered SupremeBone question about expected goals.</div></div>

Expected goals?? As per the 2022/2023 regular season. Noah Dobson is at a 9.7 for expected goals. Making him top 15 in the league for any defensemen. Evan Bouchard expected goals is at 7.9. Making him top 40 in the league for any defensemen.

The reason I haven’t responded to Supremebone is because he brought up the most useless advanced statistic possible. He brings up ‘on ice expected goals %’ acting like it’s close to the same as ‘expected goals’. Obviously Bouchard is going to have one of the highest on ice expected goals % when he’s playing with 97/29. Calvin De Haan is top 10 for that exact statistic. Does that mean Calvin De Haan is one of the best offensive defensemen in the league? Is that seriously what he’s trying to suggest to me?

If you look at the relevant stats analysts look at such as ‘Goals Above Expected’ and ‘Expected Goals’. You will see a more accurate picture of who the top offensive defensemen in the league actually are, and Dobson is ahead of him by a mile in any relevant statline. Smh. Just go look at actual regular season points and see who had more points. Dobson 78 games 49 points on a team that finished 21st in Goals For. Bouchard 82 games 40 points on a team that finished 1st place in Goals For. The numbers are there, the numbers do not lie. Bouchard is not an elite offensive defensemen. He’s just another Tyson Barrie. He’s not a legit top line Defensemen. Noah Dobson is a legit top line Defensemen. Hate to say it but all the real numbers back me up in this argument.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 10, 2023 at 4:22 p.m.
Thread: Do Better Holland
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>ixG/60: tied
On ice xGF: Bouchard &gt; Dobson
On ice xGF/60: Bouchard &gt; Dobson
On ice xGF/60 Rel: Bouchard &gt; Dobson
On ice GF%: Bouchard &gt; Dobson

Besides that, a look at the xGA stats indicates that Bouchard is significantly better defensively too.

<a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&amp;thruseason=20222023&amp;stype=2&amp;sit=5v5&amp;score=all&amp;stdoi=oi&amp;rate=y&amp;p1=8480803&amp;p2=8480865&amp;loc=B&amp;gpfilt=none&amp;fd=&amp;td=&amp;tgp=410&amp;lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&amp;thruseason=20222023&amp;stype=2&amp;sit=5v5&amp;score=all&amp;stdoi=oi&amp;rate=y&amp;p1=8480803&amp;p2=8480865&amp;loc=B&amp;gpfilt=none&amp;fd=&amp;td=&amp;tgp=410&amp;lines=single</a></div></div>

Significantly better defensively? We’re talking about Evan Bouchard, a player who scored 17 points in 12 games in the playoffs, but finished off with a +/- of -4. Now, compare that to Morgan Reilly who finished a point per game in the playoffs, his +/- was +12. If you’re saying Bouchard is significantly better than Dobson defensively. Then u are also saying to me that Morgan Reilly was a god defensively.

Also, it’s worth noting that Dobsons plus minus in the playoffs was positive despite only having two points and losing in the first round.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 9, 2023 at 11:50 p.m.
Thread: Do Better Holland
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Drshnuckels91</b></div><div>Calling Ethan Bear proven on both ends of the ices is one of the funniest comments I've seen on this site. Look I love Bear he's a great guy but he wasn't good in Edmonton and there is a reason he is a ufa. Kulak is a great bottom pair d-man and was one of their best d-man over the past two years. The only upgrade is Dillion who plays the left side and not the right. Edmonton doesn't need more LD they need a good stable RD which you have failed to supply. So yes congrats you upgraded a d-man over Cody Ceci, which anyone can do. The d-core is still worse and all you have done is made the right side even worse. Dillon does nothing for us.</div></div>

Ethan Bear really proved himself last season as a defensively responsible defensemen who can play on the top 4. He was getting over 20 minutes a game last season. He comes at a fraction of the price of Ceci. It’s a no-brainer for the Oilers to give Bear another look. The only reason he is still a FA is because he’s going to be out with an injury until January, and there is no rush for him to sign a contract considering how he’s going to miss the first half of the season. Bear indicated that a few teams have made inquiries thus far but an offer to his liking has yet to materialize. He specifically stated a preference to return to Vancouver but was told by GM Patrik Allvin that they would need to clear up cap space for that to happen, a scenario that they are not alone in.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 9, 2023 at 11:38 p.m.
Thread: Do Better Holland
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Drshnuckels91</b></div><div>I don't know where you got 53 from but he had 49? Ok so he had 9 more points while getting first pp time for a full year and Bouchard only had it for a third. In that span when they received same pp time Bouchard produced at a higher rate. Dobson had a bad year last year defensively so what statistics are you going off of? They had similar statistics defensively while Dobson was in a much better defensive system. So what we have here is a swap between two players at the very most is a lateral move. A move where Edmonton gets a player who isn't familiar with the system, is worse offensively when given the same pp time and isn't much better defensively unless you can show me a metric that proves that. That was also objectively the best move you had made which does absolutely nothing for the Oilers.</div></div>

Let’s explain it in a way someone like you can understand. Dobson is a PP1/PK1 kind of player. Bouchard is only a PP1 kind of player. Meaning, Bouchard is one dimensional. You can maybe argue Bouchard is better offensively, but it’s not even close defensively. Dobson would automatically become the Oilers #1 penalty killer. Not only that, but Dobson would also become the Oilers #1 scoring threat on the blueline. Expected goals, he is top 15 for any defensemen last season. Bouchard isn’t even on the top 30 for expected goals for a defensemen. Also, point per 60 minutes of ice time, Dobson is top 20, and Bouchard is top 40. These are the stats that you asked for. It’s beginning to seem like you just have a secret love interest in Bouchard, I know you think the world of your lover but the truth is that he isn’t all that good. He’s like Tyson Barrie but slower.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 9, 2023 at 11:07 p.m.
Thread: Do Better Holland
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Drshnuckels91</b></div><div>No you wouldn't. Bouchard has played better than Dobson so what's the point of that swap besides losing team chemistry? Kane isn't signing that low and definitely isn't signing in Edmonton of all places. Martin does absolutely nothing for Edmonton as well so no point in that islanders trade at all besides making Edmonton worse. I love Hart and he's worth more than Skinner but the goal is to win right now and he just has not proven he's that much better than Skinner over the past two seasons. You've made the d-core much worse, goaltending is the exact same, and the forward group is also worse?? Holland has crafted a team that gave the cup champs their best series last year.

This team is much worse.</div></div>

Even without Patrick Kane. This team is so much better than last season. The defence actually looks good now compared to what Ken Holland constructed. You get rid of Bouchard, Ceci, and Kulak. Those are three defensive liabilities. You instead add Noah Dobson, Ethan Bear, and Brendan Dillon. You clearly have no knowledge of hockey outside of Edmonton. Dillon is a massive upgrade on Kulak. He’s physical, he is a shutdown player. Ethan Bear is an upgrade on Cody Ceci. Bear is proven on both ends of the ice. Then there’s Noah Dobson. Arguably better than Bouchard offensively, and 10x better defensively. Dobson is a massive upgrade on Bouchard. The defence is not only better its head and shoulders above anything the Oilers have had in the last decade.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 9, 2023 at 10:50 p.m.
Thread: Do Better Holland
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AlbertaRockies</b></div><div>I wouldn’t let you build a roller hockey team for 10 year olds much less the Oilers.</div></div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Drshnuckels91</b></div><div>No you wouldn't. Bouchard has played better than Dobson so what's the point of that swap besides losing team chemistry? Kane isn't signing that low and definitely isn't signing in Edmonton of all places. Martin does absolutely nothing for Edmonton as well so no point in that islanders trade at all besides making Edmonton worse. I love Hart and he's worth more than Skinner but the goal is to win right now and he just has not proven he's that much better than Skinner over the past two seasons. You've made the d-core much worse, goaltending is the exact same, and the forward group is also worse?? Holland has crafted a team that gave the cup champs their best series last year.

This team is much worse.</div></div>

Bouchard is one dimensional. Dobson is so much better defensively. Even offensively speaking, Dobson is still better. Dobson had 53 points with the Islanders. Bouchard had 40 in a full season with the Oilers. What exactly are you going off of when you say Bouchard is better than Dobson? It’s not even close.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 29, 2023 at 5:59 p.m.
Thread: Does It Get Any Better
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mike7856</b></div><div>Honestly, pretty well done on the trades! Arizona most likely won’t want to move Hayton but at that price they’d at least have to think about it! Think a team would be willing to gamble on Robertson staying healthy but maybe leafs are better off taking that bet themselves? I think Bear is super underrated and would be great on a 3rd pair there!</div></div>

There’s no denying that Nick Robertson has NHL potential. We saw what he was able to do early on in the season, but Nick Robertson would be better off in Dallas. He’d certainly have more opportunities to play in the nhl. The Leafs are far too deep when it comes to forwards next year, and with Holmberg and Knies coming into the lineup. I think it only makes sense for both sides that Robertson gets the chance to play somewhere else. He might actually end up becoming legitimate full time nhl player, but it’s not going to happen in Toronto.