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Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 6, 2018 at 9:36 a.m.
Thread: NYI STL fans in here.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BluesGetTheCup</b></div><div>Kyrou is still highly regarded, even though your point of 4th year OHL players is true. Kostin has a higher ceiling than Thompson.</div></div>

I think the coolest part for me about Kostin is that while he was pushed down the lineup quite often (nearly first 60% of last year @ Rampage), by the end of the season he was getting critical power play and ice time.

Shows to me the kid didn’t give up and proved to coaches who literally owed him nothing that he was the best choice in those situations.

It wouldn’t be unreasonable to think kostin starts in the Rampage’s too 6 next season and gets his chance once the Blues have some injury openings on wing. Once that happens I promise I’ll be hyped as **** for whatever games those are.

So maybe it is unfair for me to put Thompson above him, but I think he’s going to start the season in the NHL - so measuring NHL impact over the next 2 years - he gets a bump.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 6, 2018 at 9:25 a.m.
Thread: NYI STL fans in here.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>StLHockey</b></div><div>Let’s not forget he had 94 points the year before. It’s not like he just blew up this year.</div></div>

True!

I thinks he’s firmly in the “mid to late 1st round” value - a bargain at #35. But we can look at what guys beyond the 10th OA do for their NHL career and the vast majority are unsuccessful.

You look @ a guy like Ty Rattie - prolific scorer at 4th year OHL, but then left there for a 5th year...was that a poor choice? Possibly. Then add on another year of AHL - 31 goals for him that AHL season - you’d think he could net 20 at the NHL level but that never happened. Next AHL season mixed with a small call up - scored at the same rate in the AHL.

I’d almost imagine Ty Rattie’s Lack of NHL success was a product of Hitchcock’s system - that his playstyle simply didn’t fit what Hitchcock demanded out of wingers - he was relatively slow-ish, not a guy to win board battles.

I’m absolutely not writing Kyrou off, only thinking his chance at NHL production over the next 2 seasons is fairly low relative to those guys I think are higher. So I think today Thompson has a much higher value to an opposing GM.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 5, 2018 at 7:04 p.m.
Thread: True words
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juice</b></div><div>It's ignorance like yours that likes to sit back after the fact and use 20-20 hindsight to tell others what a sh*t job they've done. I'm sure if Philly and Anaheim fail to dominate like you are stating (not predicting...but stating), you'll be back on here saying you were wrong.

No one here is saying that Shanahan needs a statue built for the awesome job he's done....but your arguments for him being trash are a joke.

For the record, no apologies needed..I haven't paid to attend a leaf game in about 10 years. Any food/beverage purchases get expensed... and I've been wearing the same Dougie Gilmour jersey for the same amount of time that I have no intentions of ever replacing. It replaced a kids size Felix Potvin jersey....so ya...I've been around the block for a while too.</div></div>

<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/8ovgr3/what_it_takes_to_get_a_top_pairing_defenseman/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/8ovgr3/what_it_takes_to_get_a_top_pairing_defenseman/</a>

See the words "drafted"

Good plan.

I'm going to buy a Powerball ticket tomorrow, so if I win, please refer to me as "smartest man on the planet" for winning the lottery with my "how to be successful" plan of "drinking way too many beers and arguing online with strangers and buying a lottery ticket".

Because that's the Leaves plan. Good ole boys club, winners of the lottery, paying idiots to "plan" for "success".
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 5, 2018 at 5:52 p.m.
Thread: NYI STL fans in here.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoreOfAnIslesGuy</b></div><div>Lou knows we need young talent, and Tage is definitely that but I feel like JT could receive a little more. In this hypothetical we wouldn't have much leverage, true, but maybe a Kyrou would make more sense imho (unless Lou is looking for an immediate roster skill boost.)</div></div>

As a STL fan I'd do either, although I think Tage has a much higher ceiling - Kyrou was OHL mvp as a 4th year - I personally doubt many GMs value him highly.

100% as a STL fan who makes a list of "NHL impact next 2 seasons" my prospect list for our team is:

Thomas

Thompson

Mikkola

Kostin

Walman/Husso - depending on who gets opportunity.

Kyrou doesn't make the list. 4th year OHL dominators are a coin flip.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 5, 2018 at 5:25 p.m.
Thread: NYI STL fans in here.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>A_K</b></div><div>Right, that's the part that I don't know whether is legal or not... but it's definitely in JT's best interest to hit the open market (more money, go where he wants), so if NYI isn't going to re-sign him, not sure if he'd want to do them any favors. Plus he'd be crippling the team that he is joining if he gets traded. That said, he has an 8-team no-trade list so I guess it's not completely up to him.</div></div>

I'd imagine Doug Armstrong would tell Lam to put the agent on the call and require that before making the deal. Lou would have no standing to drive up a market without letting teams talk to the agent to determine if a signing were possible I do not believe - I cannot believe any GM would send a 1st rounder for a complete ?

The only reason Lou would prevent teams from talking to the agent is if Lou knew that JT had only 1 team in mind.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 5, 2018 at 5:23 p.m.
Thread: NYI STL fans in here.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoreOfAnIslesGuy</b></div><div>Why would we shop Johnny T's rights? I mean, he's a super solid player and generally not someone to shop, and now that he's publicly saying he's very interested in talks with NY, and with Snow gone and Lou in charge I seriously doubt T's gone. I think the JT hype is over and he stays here. Just saying.</div></div>

This is just a purely hypothetical as a result of reading this: <a href="https://mynhltraderumors.com/top-10-potential-offseason-nhl-trade-candidates/2018/06/05/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://mynhltraderumors.com/top-10-potential-offseason-nhl-trade-candidates/2018/06/05/</a>

See number 1.

The hypothetical is that NYI (you) will trade his rights. I understand there are a million reasons this wouldn't happen. But just assuming it does in this case...How would you feel about receiving Tage Thompson in return?
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 5, 2018 at 5:09 p.m.
Thread: NYI STL fans in here.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>A_K</b></div><div>Teams can't talk to JT before July 1 without getting his rights though right? If NYI shops his rights and we pay up with Thompson (I'd even toss Jake Allen in to give them a starter), what happens if JT already made his mind up and was going to sign in San Jose or Colorado or somewhere? That's the snag IMO. If we were to get any indication that JT would want to play here for 7 years, I'd easily toss Tage and whoever else out there to lock him in. Might save some money over his open market price as well. I just don't think that's how it will play out. For NYI sake, they would be smart to get JT's opinion (and I guess since he has a NTC they would have to get his blessing) but I'm legit not sure if it's possible.</div></div>

Ya I'd think DA would have to condition the deal on getting the agent to state what the requirements are, and if they include something STL can meet. If JT91 has no interest here we wouldn't do it - but if the requirements are only contractual - say he wants XYZ in signing bonus, XYZ in term and salary, and GMDA thinks we can make that happen, then is it worth TT to beat out MTL, SJS, etc.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 5, 2018 at 5:02 p.m.
Thread: Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bluesfan08</b></div><div>Lol dude I think you're focusing too much on that trade. Sure get a higher pick for him and eliminate the 4th round pick. The point is to clear cap space for John Tavares. If giving up a solid 3c to clear space for a 1c has to happen then that's what needs to happen. I'd gladly sacrifice Bergie everyday if it meant a solid offer for Tavares. We have Thomas that could slot in there. You can resign Brodz and he could be serviceable in that position. You can slot Barbie in there (still needs to prove himself). As long as that trade with Berg involves picks it doesn't matter to me which round those picks are when we have options to replace him.</div></div>

Ok so

If Hanzal

Who's stats are worse in ... essentially all ways

Returns a 1st AND a 2nd

And then signs as a UFA for 1 mil AAV more than Berglund AND longer term.

How in the holy hell is Berglund worth half a 3rd.

They're the same age.

You telling me better and cheaper is worth less?

Not just less, but WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY less.

Get off the facebook forums.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 3, 2018 at 4:02 p.m.
Thread: Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bluesfan08</b></div><div>The whole point of trading him is to create cap space for John Tavares. I don't really have a problem with him playing 3c, we just need a 1/2 center. I think R. Thomas is ready to fill that 3c spot if we offload him.



I hope Armstrong does, I just did 4 million as what I saw as the max he would get.



I think everyone has reservations on if Fabbri will even be in the lineup at the start of the season. I just put him there as a filler/hope that he can get there by the end of the season. You'd use Steen on that line(not my favorite option) then and have Barbie as #3 lw.</div></div>

Fine.

Then go list a few 3Cs stats around the league, go find a few more that have been acquired or signed, and tell me that Berglund is worth a ******* 3rd with a 4th coming back.

Hanzal went for a 1st and a 2nd, then signed for 1 mil more for longer than Berg at the same age, has much less performance than Berg, and you think Berg is worth a 3rd with a 4th coming back.

Go back to facebook/stlouisbluescirclejerk
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 1, 2018 at 1:43 p.m.
Thread: True words
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juice</b></div><div>*clap, clap, clap*

Can we get a round of applause for this guy?

Obviously if the leafs drafted more D men in rounds 3-7 we’d surely have found a stud by now.

Third time you’re charging your argument and still come up cottony soft.

First off, the Leafs’ D isn’t as atrocious as you claim. Not great, but ranked 13th.

You want to look at track record of the first two rounds? Really? We have one of the best young offences in the game with those picks + Dermott and Liljegren who, without stretching the truth, are legit potential top 4 d-men.

You want to look outside the first two rounds? You go back and find me an impact d-man drafted in rounds 3-7 playing today. Spoiler alert....there isn’t one.

Now you want to hate on fans looking to deal from a position of strength to fill a hole in D?

You want to hate on the ‘Shanaplan’ but in 4 years took a perennial non-playoff team with nothing exciting in the pipeline to a playoff squad deep with young talent.

This team is built from the wings? This team was built strong up the middle and in net. Ignoring the fact that Nylander was drafted as a C and likely to be groomed there slowly.

Know that part about defence taking longer to develop? Ever think success came a little earlier than expected for the team and now some of the D is the system are either not ready (or never will be).

When Shanahan came on board, we had very few prospects in the system and a team of selfish, overpaid veterans. There were holes up and down the roster at every position. So the philosophy of ‘drafting the best player available’ was a smart one to go with. Now that success is ahead of schedule, they’re trying to catch up on defence.

Look. I get it if you’re annoyed by all the Toronto ACGM teams that almost always have us trading winger for D. You’re entitled to those feelings. But to lash out and blame poor management is simply wrong.</div></div>


You want an argument?

Fault me:

Toronto has drafted league leading proportionately low number of defenseman in the first 3 rounds since 2012 when Morgan Rielly and Matt Finn were selected.

Now many Toronto fans and media members are bashing the team's defense, rightfully so as the results show. Problem is, you can't have defense if you don't pick them.

In 2013 you selected 0 d in rounds 1, 2 and 3. 3 picks, all fowards
In 2014 you selected a d in round 2, 1 d, 2 forwards
In 2015 you selected a d in round 2, 1 d, 2 fowards
In 2016 you selected 0 d in rounds 1, 2, and 3. 3 picks, all forwards.

That's 10 forwards, 2d, 0 1st round d, in a 4 year span where you had all of your picks.

Compare that to TBL:

<a href="http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00008385.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00008385.html</a>

Compare that to WSH

<a href="http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00008871.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00008871.html</a>

Compare that to PITT

<a href="http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00007475.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00007475.html</a>

Compare that to STL

<a href="http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00008187.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00008187.html</a>

Compare that to (it doesnt ******* matter)

But go look at the teams that are actually rebuilding that will actually dominate: Philly, Anahiem, its like talking to a wall with you ******* morons.

The Shanaplan is literally garbage if you did not win a lottery.

Its a joke.

Without a lottery you have a rager in Kadri at 1C and literally no defense with some flimsy 1-way wingers. Its downs hockey. Its designed to make you think its going to work so you buy jerseys and pay more to go to a game. But its crap come playoffs, and will be crap come playoffs. Such a travesty really for what I consider the hockey capital of the world to be run by such dumbfucks and you all eat it up like its crack. If I had a dollar for every time Marner was literally run down on the boards and the puck went the other way I'd ******* retire today. Every team needs soft, creative scoring wingers, but you better have some semblance of defense behind them and Toronto has none.

You just type Shanaplan because you can score goals in the regular season. Meanwhile your 1RHD is nearly crying at exit interviews and your 1C needs to be coddled by the coach in the off season.

A plan is something you think about and do. This is just a way to extract your money.

Worst part for you? Somebody's going to get Nylander on the cheap, put him at center, and hes going to William Karlsson the league, and you will be stuck with an Adam Larsson = not a 1, but a good 2. And you'll have older Patrick Marleau moving up in the line-up. Seems like a winning "plan".

Good luck with that. Sorry about how much money they're extracting from you.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 31, 2018 at 11:57 p.m.
Thread: True words
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juice</b></div><div>haha..wow..ok.

So typically defencemen take a few years to develop. Sometimes the guys taken at the very top of the draft are ready right away....but your latest attempt at salvaging your argument is to tell me to look at his 2nd round pick....ok...have you tried actually looking at facts before spewing random thoughts?

<strong>2nd Round Picks under Shanahan:</strong>
2014: Valiev - D
2015: Dermott - D and current roster player
2016: Korshkov - RW
2017: Rasanen - D

anything else?</div></div>

Spoiler alert

Despite having a nominal amount of selections, you elected to take nearly 80/20 o+g / d split.

Now raging at your shitty d and trying to trade young wing for d.

Like im some cancer and your plan is majestic.

Rofl.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 28, 2018 at 4:56 p.m.
Thread: True words
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juice</b></div><div>So Shanahan came on board in April 2014...hired Dubas in July I think, Hunter in October...Fired Nonis in April 2015 and hired Lou a few months later, after the 2015 draft. So he's overseen 4 drafts...3 of which with Hunter running the show, and 2 with the full management team in place.

2014: Nylander
2015: Marner
2016: Matthews
2017: Liljegren

If you look at the 2014 draft, there isn't a defender taken anywhere near Nylander that you would trade for right now

2015 saw Hanifin, Provorov and Werenski all taken shortly after Marner. And while it would be nice to have any one of those guys in the lineup...do you think maybe 2 years is not a lot of time to determine who will have the better career?

2016 was a foregone conclusion with Matthews, and 2017 they drafted RHD.

According to you, however, the Shanaplan is a disaster because we need to assess the last 10-20 years of drafting.

I agree the home grown talent on defence has been scarce over the years...but if the point your point is that the 'Shanaplan' is a joke because of their recent 1st round picks...I think you're completely out to lunch.</div></div>

Go look @ the 2nd round.

This ain’t me sniping your 1st round choices that sometimes were locked in.

It’s bad draft mgmt and bad team mgmt.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 28, 2018 at 2:01 p.m.
Thread: True words
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Laynious</b></div><div>STL has "ALL-WORLD" Defence. - Haven't won a thing
TB has Hedman, McDonagh, Sergachev - Hasn't won a cup
Carolina has Hanifin, Slavvin, Faulk, Pesce - Can't make the post season
Winnipeg has Myers, Byfuglien, Trouba - Hasn't won a cup

etc etc

So Please explain to me in your "HAVE TO DRAFT D!!!!!!!!" psycho babble, are you even remotely correct? When drafting, it is about your team's philosophy. Best player or needs or wants. Leafs have Rielly, Gardiner (he's really good 95% of the time) Dermott is coming. So is Liljegren.

We'll be ok.</div></div>

Damn if only we could find the playoff results of the teams you’ve mentioned.

Or like, maybe if we just look at the number of D players (7) on the roster, the looked at the forwards (13), the had some way to determine the proportion of the team each accounted for....

And if we choose WAY less at one position, the other position is likely to suck.

And then when it sucks, maybe we could blame the drafting depth over the actual humans.

But when we don’t do that, we’re just making the few good things we have at that position super eager to GTFO.

If I were AM34 I couldn’t wait to get out of this shitshow. It’s a god damn circus where the lowest IQ reigns supreme.

Don’t draft defense, give up completely ridiculous goals against, then sit offensive players because defense sucks.

It’s like Down syndrome merry go round. Just make no sense but scream and it’s all ok.

That’s the plan in a nutshell.

And now your trusting this **** to a tool who thinks Drew Carey is his idol.

Enjoy the gutter.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 28, 2018 at 1:55 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 28, 2018 at 1:52 p.m.
Thread: True words
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Don't know if. the author has even watched a Leaf game. 103 points, 12th in GAA, hardly a bad team or a bad defence. And again another fool that doesn't understand the structure of forward lines. Can't imagine why the the author says the Leafs have no # 2C. Matthews is good, and Kadri has been a 30 goal scorer two years in a row. Please don't be so misinformed as says a Kadri has to be classified as a 3C.

See author is from STL. If he's a Blues fan, he has seen how successful the Blues have been with a "name" and expensive defence. They haven't. Any well, a great troll or a completely misinformed writer of crap.</div></div>

Google your drafts the past 7 years DF.

You have selected the LEAST defenseman out of ALL teams.

Now you give up more goals in 1 round than the ******* cup finalist in all rounds combined.

And your media is scapegoating the **** out of the tiny defense you have and you dumbshit fans beat off to thoughts of “the plan”, literally the worst rebuild of the modern era.

Good luck swapping out elite offensive talent for subpar defensive talent. Sucks being the needy buyer. Nobody giving you a favor.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 28, 2018 at 1:38 p.m.
Thread: True words
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Laynious</b></div><div>I'd have to disagree with you on that one. When they picked Marner they had no offensive threat in the pipeline (save for Nylander). Yes there are a lot of good D out of that 2015 draft and yes they could have had Werenski, Provorov or Hanifin, but consider that Rielly was 21 at the time and considered an elite D prospect. He still is. And how do you predict that you will drafting 1st overall the next year to get Matthews? You don't. So you make the best decisions you can at the time. Hindsight is always 20/20.

Leafs also just put up their FRANCHISE record in points for a season this year (not exactly losing). So I find your "rage rant" nothing more then what ever other non-leaf fan (or in your case not your favourite) does when the Leafs have a bit of success and that is to attempt to discredit without basis. Yes some Leaf fans are whacko (but please tell me of a fan base that doesn't have them) and the media is most definitely hard on them when they are losing. But the passion for this team is undeniable. The future of this franchise has never looked better and I for one am firmly behind the Shanaplan.</div></div>

Please look at the % of 1st or 2nd round picks that went D over the past decade. There’s a giant stretch in there that directly correlates to your current team.

Then compare that result to any successful franchise.

Leafs are sub 20%...teams like TBL, BOS, any many other power houses are at or above 40%.

You cannot win long term in this league without defense, and “the plan” has completely ignored it to the point t that fans are calling to trade the few defenseman of quality you have. They were exposed because Toronto does NOT have a viable top 4. You have two top 4 skaters in top 2 roles, and that is because you drafted nearly no D for a good 5-year span.

The “plan” sells tickets. Flashy offense is fun. Winning reg season is fun. You have no hope at competitive hockey with “the plan”. Should have drafted at least 2x the D in 1st and second rounds.

Google the draft results...

Your team has drafted the least % of D out of any team in a 7 year stretch in the first 2 rounds, yet so many fans want to lynch the D. Rofl.

But you have Marner and Matthews and Nylander and all are in the HOF and you won’t win **** like that. You don’t need to go D first but you need to go D somewhat.

The “plan” fucked your team.

You had a full rebuild, you won a lottery and rebuilt half of a team. Now you want opposition to send you quality players for your scraps. Ain’t ******* happening.

The “plan” is a literal “how to not win a cup” “plan” that only Iooks marginally decent because you won a lottery.

If you literally didn’t win a lottery you’d be the doorstep of your division. Plan is a colossal joke.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 28, 2018 at 12:57 p.m.
Thread: True words
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Laynious</b></div><div>So what you are saying is..........you aren't a fan? :squinty

*ducks*</div></div>

Leafs are my 3rd team behind STL and BUF.

I’m just tired of the vigorous masturabtory congratulations of “the plan” when they involve literally no defense, and the reasonable fan reposnse for trading likeable wingers for defense, when the team should have, for example, drafted Werenski over Marner.

I get the Marner love, or the Nylander love, but you can’t win with 2 2nd paring dmen playing 1st pairing - and you should have picked a damn in either of those slots (or others).

Best of luck, I’m literally rooting for you until you play STL or BUF, but u til you do, it’s a joke of a plan, it’s literally “how do we lose but still sell tickets” plan.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 28, 2018 at 12:05 p.m.
Thread: AnotherBluesThought
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PenGoater99</b></div><div>The Leafs don't want to take another step back, they don't want to give up Nylander for future assets.

Also, Gunnarsson and Sobotka aren't worth 2nd round picks</div></div>

Leafs are trash, have no defense, nobody cares about them.

Should have drafted defense over wingers, did not, claim SHANAPLAN, which is 100% garbage because you literally have no defense.

You will either give up Marner to get some or have none. Nobody is giving you **** for questionables like Nylander, and you aren't moving the only reason you aren't trash = the lottery win. Enjoy mediocrity and your tool bag of a GM with his black rimmed glasses. Well be enjoying the next Kadri suspension and you all raging out over your 2nd paring D forced to play 1st pairing because your "plan" is absolute trash.