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Armchair-GM
Jun. 4 at 2:22 p.m.
Thread:
Realistic Hope with Lou- B
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Borocop</b></div><div>Not that the idea of the package is way off but im not sure the sens would value Bolduc much, LD is the deepest position in the org, and its entirely possible we draft another one at 7OA as well.</div></div>
You could be right and it might take a different prospect all together like George or Odelius to get them to accept, but they are likely trading Chychrun at some time and I doubt many teams offer more than a 1st round pick for him....much less coupled with two other prospects
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 4 at 2:19 p.m.
Thread:
What Lou Should Do But Wont -A
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hawksguy81</b></div><div>Hawks would likely take JGP for a 2nd, but they'll want the Isles '25 2nd instead. Pick #61 in this draft is basically an early to mid 3rd based on how weak this draft class is overall.</div></div>
Done
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Armchair-GM
May 25 at 3:16 p.m.
Thread:
What Lou Should Do But Wont
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gmgb</b></div><div>No thanks from NSH.</div></div>
Trotz loves him, so I could see it, especially at 4 million per
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Armchair-GM
May 25 at 3:15 p.m.
Thread:
What Lou Should Do But Wont
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bhavikp27</b></div><div>Would be surprised to see DeBrusk sign that deal.</div></div>
Why? He had an off year and a million raise is about what he should get....plus, how many teams are giving him that AND four seasons?? Ya, he would sign it lol
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Armchair-GM
May 25 at 3:14 p.m.
Thread:
What Lou Should Do But Wont
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Icelander24</b></div><div>You’re overpaying on all of these deals. Lee and Pageau with those retention are actually worth that contract and should get a positive value. And Pulock and Ehlers should have around even value, if not Pulock having more value cause he’s a RHD and locked up.</div></div>
Lee even at 5 million is likely going to take an asset and a 2nd for 3rd swap is not that large of one. JPG "might" not cost 2 mid-round picks (perhaps only one) with a million retention per season, but I wouldnt be surprised if it does. Remember these are 2 years left deals on players who are not top 6ers and most teams dont want to pay even 4 and 5 million on bottom sixers. As for Pulock, you could be right, but again I did not make it too much added (Wahlstrom who we have to move and a late first rounder for not one but two middle round picks in the next two drafts
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Armchair-GM
May 25 at 3:09 p.m.
Thread:
What Lou Should Do But Wont
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Quillanrocks</b></div><div>If I'm the Jets, I take that and run. Doubt Lou would do it, though, as title says.
Question, though, I don't follow Isles too closely, what happened with Wahlstrom? Did he fall out of favor, or is it a case of losing spots to veteran players, or not having a clear role?</div></div>
Injured last season and couldnt get going and now seems all but assured to be somewhere else in 2025
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2021 at 2:02 p.m.
Thread:
NYI 2021-22- Running it Back
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>Maybe you should watch how Trotz actually handles young players instead of basing everything off of praise during a training camp interview. Sure , Bolduc will be “in the mix” but he’s nowhere close to NHL ready and If you watched any of his games in Bridgeport it’s easy to see. A 20 year old defenseman that can’t yet handle the pace of the AHL is not going to be on the 3rd pairing next season for the isles.</div></div>
Good, we agreed he is in the mix. Everything else you said is you just arguing with yourself (never said he was better than Salo, nor did I say he didn't struggle at times in the AHL this season).
I personally think he is further along than you do (I do watch Bridgeport games)
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2021 at 1:59 p.m.
Thread:
NYI 2021-22- Running it Back
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>Andrew Ladd turned 31 in December in his first year with the isles. The year before there were already signs he was going to fall off a cliff sooner than later. Same thing with Palmieri. Palmieri’s offense and defense both declined this season and you can’t blame it on the devils because the players he spent the most time on the ice with were very good players.
Palmieri’s comparables are Ladd, lucic, Erickson , James Neal, when they signed their contracts. When was the last time signing a 30+ forward to a 4+ year deal worked out 😂</div></div>
Again, there is no comparison.
A 7 year contract and 38.5 million for a 31 year old right when the season starts is not comparable to a 4-year contract for someone who is 6 months younger at half the price.....PERIOD. Even the other ones don't really compare. The closest (Neal) even signed for 5 years and some 10 million more than I suggested and he too was turning 31 before the season even started. FAIL
No matter how many times you try and compare the two
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2021 at 1:51 p.m.
Thread:
NYI 2021-22- Running it Back
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>“Just about every metric” can you tell me which metric ? Lol especially palmieri</div></div>
How about just per 82 the last 3 seasons:
AB: 41 goals and 44 assists, 85 points in 196 games= <strong><em>17 goals/ 18 assists/ 35 points per 82
</em></strong>
Lee: 60 goals and 53 assists, 113 points in 177 games= <strong><em>28 goals/ 25 assists/ 53 points per 82
</em></strong>
Palms: 62 goals and 54 assists, 116 points in 190 games= <strong><em>27 goals/ 23 assists/ 50 points per 82</em></strong>
Eberle: 51 goals and 59 assists, 110 points in 191 games= <strong><em>22 goals/ 25 assists/ 47 points per 82</em></strong>
Bailey: 38 goals and 96 assists; 134 points in 204 games= <strong><em>15 goals/ 39 assists/ 54 points per 82</em></strong>
Hell, it would be a tough argument to even say AB was your 4th best winger.....yet; but definitely not better than Lee or Palms
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2021 at 1:36 p.m.
Thread:
NYI 2021-22- Running it Back
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>Salo wasn’t even signed by the team yet and went on to have an incredible season in the SHL.
Trotz said similar things about Bellows before he spent the next 2+ years in the AHL. Trotz didn’t have any plans of playing Dobson in his D+2 after winning his 2nd memorial cup. But yeah Bolduc is close to NHL ready as a B prospect after playing 24 AHL games 😂</div></div>
Trotz specifically said he almost made the team (and no it wasn't comparable with what he said about Bellows). Again, no matter how you spin it, that alone would indicate he has a good chance to be in the battle for the third pairing next season....
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2021 at 1:34 p.m.
Thread:
NYI 2021-22- Running it Back
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>Palmieri turns 31 in February - players with his skillset usually fall off a cliff between 30-32 YO. Palmieri’s underlying numbers are similar to Ladds the year before he signed with the isles</div></div>
Yes, I know when his birthday is and it is still considered playing in his 30-33 year seasons and ISNT EVEN REMOTELY comparable to giving someone who was 6 MONTHS OLDER AT SIGNING a SEVEN YEAR CONTRACT- twice as much money as well lol
NOT COMPARABLE AT ALL, no matter how you try and spin it
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2021 at 12:44 p.m.
Thread:
NYI 2021-22- Running it Back
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>So the islanders are going to commit long term to 30 year olds but not their best winger in Beauvillier? This team is going to be forced into a long rebuild in a year.
Which islanders insider?</div></div>
Yes, I am willing to bet it is a bridge deal for Beau (who btw isn't their best winger by any stretch of the imagination).
By just about every metric, both Lee and Palmieri are better wingers. An argument could be made who is the THIRD best with Beau, Bailey, Eberle and the rookie Wahlstrom...
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2021 at 12:40 p.m.
Thread:
NYI 2021-22- Running it Back
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>It doesn’t matter what any islanders insider says - Salo dominated in the 4th best league in the world (top 3 D in the entire league) while Bolduc struggled with the pace of play in the AHL (8th best league in the world). There is no logical argument that bolduc is more NHL ready than Salo</div></div>
Except for the fact that your head coach stated that one of them almost made the team out of camp while nar a mention from the other lol
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2021 at 12:38 p.m.
Thread:
NYI 2021-22- Running it Back
As for Palmieri being the next Ladd, that is just an insane comparison, especially with the contract I suggest.
I have Kyle signing a 4-year deal (at 4.75 million per) for his age 30-33 seasons, arguably in his prime.
Ladd was signed to a 7-year deal (at 5.5 million per) for his age 31-36 seasons.
Those aren't even remotely the same. One is actually a good (not to short or long) contract for a player who doesn't turn 31 until the next calendar year while the other was an insanely long contract for a player who was turning that age two months into the season....
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2021 at 12:25 p.m.
Thread:
NYI 2021-22- Running it Back
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>Bailey, Martin contracts expire in 3 years. This ACGM has
Beauvillier and sorokin due for new contracts in 2 years. They can sign with any team at the point, the isles have leverage right now as they are both RFAs, it would be nice if they can get younger players locked up long term instead of signing Kyle palmieri, who is the next Andrew Ladd.
Im not overreacting, I’m saying this team should prioritize signing younger players instead of old declining players. 6 years for cizikas and 4 years for palmieri. Yikes.</div></div>
Read slower dude. "Expring contract means there is one year left.
And I would bet a million dollars both Beauvillier and Sorokin take bridge deals. I doubt the Islanders commit long term to either of them.
No, Trotz was adamant that Samuel almost played himself onto the roster. I too like Salo's long term potential better, but almost every Islander insider says that Bolduc is closer to being NHL ready, despite the age difference
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2021 at 10:57 a.m.
Thread:
NYI 2021-22- Running it Back
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>So the isles could lose pulock, Beauvillier, and sorokin in the next 2 years while prioritizing signing older, declining players like palmieri and cizikas to long term deals? That would be a disaster. Beauvillier is a lot better than Palmieri and sorokin strikes me as a guy that would leave as a UFA</div></div>
They would have the cap space to re-sign all three. Even in my suggestions they would have $40 million in cap space (and that is figuring it at 81.5, which will most certainly be higher at that time) and expiring contracts of Eberle, Bailey and Martin for flexibility.
You are overreacting about absolutely nothing to be honest
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2021 at 10:52 a.m.
Thread:
NYI 2021-22- Running it Back
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>As per most NHL projection models which are pretty accurate, Salo is rated higher than bolduc due to his production in better leagues. Bolduc’s main issue is his hockey IQ, which you can’t teach. He struggles with the pace of the game. Bolduc does not have what it takes yet to play in the NHL. He’s not a highly rated prospect and he’s only 20! He’s not a Noah Dobson blue chip D prospect, bolduc needs at least another year or 2 in the AHL. Salo has no flaws in his game and he’s already 23</div></div>
Dude, he almost made the team out of camp. Trotz specifically pointed that out
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2021 at 9:59 a.m.
Thread:
NYI 2021-22- Running it Back
It is going to cost a first rounder to move Ladd and likely a prospect. Perhaps Wilde instead and "maybe" it can be done without the 3rd attached, but the first is automatic. As for Salo, the Islanders may have Bolduc rated higher (he is certainly closer, as he almost made the team out of camp). Either way, one of the three (Samuel, Robin or Bo) will likely have to be attached
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2021 at 9:53 a.m.
Thread:
NYI 2021-22- Running it Back
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>This sets up Beauvillier , sorokin, Wahlstrom , and Barzal needing deals at the same time - with sorokin and Beauvillier UFAs. That is not good…
I also wouldn’t trade Salo - he currently has the highest star % and NHLer % among all isles D prospects (it’s not close). It makes more sense to trade or buyout Leddy so they don’t have to give up assets to move Ladd</div></div>
That is likely to be the case regardless. Islanders will be looking at bridge deals regardless for Beau and Ilya- only Pelech will they be able to and try to sign long term
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 27, 2021 at 4:17 p.m.
Thread:
Isles Eberle and Leddy retained
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Letter_Kenny</b></div><div>I could see Lou whacking Ladd's legs with a crowbar. "You're injured! You got that? You're injured!" 🤣</div></div>
Dude can barely skate as it is....
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 27, 2021 at 12:55 p.m.
Thread:
Isles Eberle and Leddy retained
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Letter_Kenny</b></div><div>Does Ladd get a free Robidas Island t-shirt from Lou? Say hi to Johnny Boychuk! 11.5 mil on LTIR. Who do the Isles think they are, Tampa? 🤣</div></div>
The difference of course is Ladd and Boychuk would never play another NHL game.
We have no intentions of them getting healthy come playoff time lol
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Armchair-GM
Nov. 27, 2020 at 4:57 p.m.
Thread:
under
No need to make those trades when there are free-agents out there. Wishful thinking to assume Barzal will take 8 million over a long term deal (not going to happen); which is why he will finally agree to a bridge deal making close to 7.
Fear not on the cap troubles though as it is HIGHLY LIKELY that one of Hickey or Ladd will join Boychuk on the LTIR. I doubt either could pass a physical right now. The other is likely getting buried, so if we can get Barzal and the rumored to have already agreed trifecta of Martin/Greene and Schneider (Bridgeport) for around 9-10 million, we will still have some free-agent dough left- perhaps even enough for Hoffman on a one year deal............
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Armchair-GM
Nov. 25, 2020 at 10:09 p.m.
Thread:
ideally
Yes there is a better than good chance one of Hickey or Ladd join Boychuk on the LTIR. It is highly unlikely both of them can pass a physical. Much more likely that Barzal takes a bridge deal (3 years 21 million) then settling for 8 long term though. Also, only way we are signing Hoffman is if he is willing to take a single year due to the pandemic (for about 5-6). Lastly, Schneider has reportedly already agreed to a 1-year 700,000 deal, Martin and Green will come in closer to 1-1.5 with Matt possibly getting a second year....
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Armchair-GM
Nov. 25, 2020 at 10:04 p.m.
Thread:
barzal
He is already been seen by numerous doctors reportedly, so he is LTIR for the next two seasons. Also, both Martin and Greene have officially agreed to new deals, so I doubt Barzal gets that contract yet and I also doubt we convince Chara to come on board...........
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Armchair-GM
Oct. 14, 2020 at 11:43 a.m.
Thread:
Islanders Roster
Teams like Detroit right now don't really care about the cap hit (they are well under it), but do of course care about the cash owed. 2.6 million per season for a still serviceable third pairing D-men (as well as his veteran leadership to help with a rebuilding effort on that blue line) is a good price. Either two seconds or one and Bellows is what is probably going to get it done
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