May 1, 2018
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BurgerBoss</b></div><div>I think CBJ is going to decline this. The thought is something certainly new and different and I kinda like it, but the biggest problem for CBJ in this move is that they're not a contender, and most likely not going to be a contender for the several years to come. This is where Andersen's age makes an issue. Assuming that he re-signs with the Jackets, he's turning 32 that year. Now assuming more that the team might reach a contending status in just about 5 years...Andersen might is well out of his prime, and maybe declining. At that point also Marner has long moved from Columbus, making a Panarin in a sense. The value is good, but the team you're trading the assets is just wrong...
Also Holland is never going to pay that much for a mid-6 winger. That's a big-time overpayment.</div></div>
5 stars for the idea, the out of the box thinking, and the debate that was generated from Tircksters AGM.
After reading through the thread over coffee this morning (which was a good way to start the day, btw) I think your post, Burger Boss, hits the nail on the head. I agree, the value seems good, but I'm not sure it's a fit given where each team is at and because of the recent history of Columbus not being able to retain pending ufas.
I could see how Seth Jones might be offered up if Columbus decides to hit a full rebuild, but if they do I'd imagine that it'd be a deal for a bucket full of picks and some top tier prospects of the Sandin variety. I think if Jones is ever traded it's to set the stage for something similar to what Ottawa is doing. The Sens take alot of flack but I think they're in a good spot to turn the team around in a couple years with guys like Chabot/Tkachuk, the picks they have now, plus the ones they're likely to get when they unload this years ufas.
If the leafs are seriously interested in trying to land Jones the best approach might be to unload Muzzin/Barrie and whatever Ceci can bring for every pick they can get and package that this summer with Sandin and/or Lily/Roberston to try and pry Jones free. Of course, that doesn't resolve what needs to be done to resign Andersen, but I agree with Random, it makes sense to keep a goalie like Freddy as long as you can even if that means that he walks at the end.
The other side of the coin here is that if the leafs try to unload Muzzin/Barrie for hopefully a first each then that's a pretty clear indication that they're folding up the tent on this season in order to retool a bit for next year. I'm not opposed to that approach at all if the leafs are on the outside looking in at the TDL.
Anyways, great atm idea by Trickster. And solid post in your response, BB. The idea of looking ahead to what needs to done given that Andersen and Rielly are coming up is something Toronto must be thinking about now. Increasingly, Ithough, I'm thinking one of the high priced forwards might need to go at some point to rebalance thier cap structure (which Trickster did here with Marner). Either that, or the Leafs better hope that the cap takes a huge jump in the next couple years. Otherwise somethings gotta give.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jamiepo</b></div><div>If you have to ask, you probably aren’t included.</div></div>
It's not rolling back to the 1970s. I love this back in my day, give "us" our game back, get off my lawn crap.
Everything has a shelf life including a way of doing things. The Don Cherry's, the Peters', the Babcock's way of doing things isn't tolerated anymore. They can sit back and sulk about how back in their day things were better until "you people" started doing things differently. That's fine they can be sensitive about their stuff all they want. But they'll get passed by like all dinosaurs do.
Brindamour said it best the other day. The gap in the power structure between a player/coach/ gm has been too large, that this dynamic is changing, players have more power, and more stories will come out - because fans and society doesn't tolerate this stuff.
It's simple, don't be an assh*le and there's nothing to worry about. Treat someone like sh*t and there's accountability now. That's a bad thing for "us"? .. lol. F'ing ridiculous take, Po.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jack_</b></div><div>thanks. yours was good to. i think keefe will be trying so many different things that will include 11 forwards and 7 defenseman. in the playoffs I see no need to even run a 4th line (unless its a blowout and you dont want to risk injuries and fatigue). Gauthier isnt a good penalty killer and the defenseman they currently have on the pk isnt the best. mikeyev, hyman, tavares, marner, johnsson, kappy, moore and kerfoot can all kill. dressing the goat or shore for that main reason is a wast of a lineup slot. the only reason they could need shore is for a right handed faceoff specialist but spezza can be a part of the faceoff get off. rielly isnt good on the pk, Dermott, holl and muzzin are good, so is ceci but i think he will be traded. marty is a top 40 penalty killer in the league, keefe used him a ton in the AHL, I see no reason to dress him and only use him in a PK role and the last couple minutes in a game when the other team is pushing to limit the number of shifts rielly and barrie end up getting in the DZ</div></div>
Yup. It's that experimentation piece I'm looking forward to seeing. It still kills me that we never got a chance to see Naz line up on the left with either JT/Marner or with AM/Nylander, cause I think either of those options would have been pretty awesome.
The thing that I'm really happy to hear coming from the players and Keefe is that he wants to play to their strengths and put guys, and therefore the team, in a position to succeed. There's alot of options on the table now that each line isn't bound to the rule of grinder/shooter/passer or d pairings of puck mover/stand in the right spot guy. We could get 11/F 7/D or even simple stuff like a stacked top line, a cycle line, and a speed/rush line. Or a d pairing of Rielly/ Barrie.
We might even start to see an approach that looks alot like the Russian 5 with the Red Wings... I kinda think that's what Shanahan/ Dubas/Keefe are aiming for.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jamiepo</b></div><div>Wow... that is a pretty messed up psychological thing to do to a kid. I wonder if any of this affected contract negotiations...</div></div>
Alot of things make sense to me now. The team underperforming for the calendar year, pretty low looking morale, Babcocks annual trips to Arizona to smooth things over with AM, Holl in the press box for the year, Josh Lievo,, crazy contract demands, Dubas acquiring players that Babcock wouldnt play in a way that made sense, strange ice time allocation, players looking disinterested/lost this season, half vieled digs by Babcock at certain players, playing favorites with others.. and likely more.
Really glad Keefe is coaching now. And looking forward to what this team can do moving forward.