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Forum: NHL SigningsJul. 27, 2023 at 11:32 p.m.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJul. 17, 2023 at 9:46 a.m.
Pageau is still a serviceable player, but both his cap hit and term make him a negative value asset in this current environment where cap is king. Some comparable contracts and trades to think about.

-Johansen @ 4M x 2 to Colorado for nothing.
-Duchene bought out, signed for 3M x 1.

Pageau's contract at 3M is worse than both of those because of the 3 years of term for a near 31 year old player who has played a very hard style for many years. He would likely clear waivers if placed on it. I also do not think many teams would line up to take him at 3x3. 3x1? Maybe. Not with 3 years of term. Ottawa has previous ties to the player, and the GM is on the chopping block so he is less likely to care about the implications of how Pageau will play in year 2 or 3. He only cares about making it to the playoffs this year.

Let's assume Ottawa misses out on Tarasenko. This gives Ottawa additional bottom 6 depth down the middle. Norris missed an entire season with a shoulder injury, and was hurt the season before that. So this is a bit of insurance if Ottawa has to roll Pinto as the 2C again. This obviously comes at the expense of taking on the huge risk of Pageau's remaining term, but given that Dorion is likely out as GM after this season, I doubt he would blink at that.

For the Islanders, this trade is about cap space. This frees up room to bring back Parise and sign Wahlstrom (since they would send players down in incidental moves to free up a 775k+). And/or they could also use the additional space to bank cap going into the trade deadline.

Sokolov is a throw in instead of a late pick. He has had a solid pro career in Belleville but is a tweener when it comes to making the NHL. He is a big body who can score, but very much a project due to his skating. He is no longer waiver exempt, which means if he doesn't make the Senators NHL roster this year, he might be lost for nothing. Also, he recently changed agents and is still an RFA despite the fact that he has little NHL experience. That points to there being some sort of disagreement between Sokolov and the Senators organization. Including him as the asset would give him a fresh start, and it would give the Islanders a possible fringe NHLer who can play for them on a cheap contract instead of a 4th-7th round pick in 2032.
Forum: NHL SigningsJul. 16, 2023 at 12:38 p.m.
Forum: NHL TradesJul. 16, 2023 at 12:29 p.m.
Forum: NHL TradesJul. 11, 2023 at 11:37 a.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jr400</b></div><div>Dorion should have known better than to think Debrincat’s value as an unsigned RFA would be similar to what it was with a year left on his contract last summer. I think he acquired him knowing that he <em>could</em> be a 1-year rental, but he figured the difference between what he paid to get him and what he thought he could get for his RFA rights was worth gambling on the chance to extend him. I think he was also going all in on trying to make the playoffs last season. I believe he knew what he was doing; it just didn't work out.</div></div>

People need to evaluate the position Dorion and the franchise was in. They were preparing for a sale. They were a few years removed from 4000k-5000k fans in the stands. They needed to drum up excitement as an investment in making the team look as appealing as possible to a prospective buyer. Dorion also was under pressure to make the playoffs and show some proof of concept for his rebuild.

I doubt he expected to recoup a top 10 pick, but if Dorion got the 17th overall, and a couple 2nds or 3rds, I would call that close enough for it to have been worth it when you consider the possible off ice reasons for acquiring a big star. At that point, he would have rented him for whatever you perceive the difference as between a top 20 pick in 2023 and a top 10 pick in 2022.

There are two issues with the pick he got back. First, it's protected multiple times over and the draft position for the pick will be determined by the performance of a consistently good team. The second issue is that the Senators could potentially have to wait until 2025 to use the pick. I suspect there is a reasonable chance that the pick will be traded before then. If the Senators are pushing at the deadline, it doesn't help Dorion to hold on to a pick for his possible successor to use - What helps him is to acquire a rental who can help the Sens push for a deep playoff run.
Forum: NHL TradesJul. 10, 2023 at 10:44 a.m.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJul. 9, 2023 at 5:01 p.m.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJul. 9, 2023 at 4:52 p.m.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJul. 7, 2023 at 6:44 a.m.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJul. 5, 2023 at 3:11 p.m.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJul. 5, 2023 at 3:03 p.m.
Forum: NHL SigningsJul. 4, 2023 at 2:38 p.m.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJul. 4, 2023 at 6:27 a.m.
Forum: NHL TradesJul. 2, 2023 at 1:30 p.m.