Jun 21, 2018
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juice</b></div><div>Agreed...can't see any scenario where Gardiner stays. Even if he wanted the same salary he's making now. I think for at least this year and next, they will fill from within and/or random Europe signing.</div></div>
Yeah, as much as a Leaf fan I would like to think they could win the cup every year Tavares is on the team, but if next year is a defence building year, while you have Marleau, fill the spot with someone who is without a contract, people will want to play for thsi team, then in 20-21 Sandin and Liljegren will both be ready and you have an extra 6.25 and Seattle expansion money to build the team.
Reilly, Dermott, Sandin and Liljegren will be a solid core, we just have to wait. Pair that with Freddy and the top 9, thsi will be an excellent team for a long time. No need getting rid of someone to have Jake for maybe 1 or 2 good years.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>burla13. As a Leaf fan, I'm happy with their record too. It sure looks like old time 80s hockey (without the fights). Very entertaining.
Maybe Gauthier, Leivo and Ennis have found their niche. They were outstanding last night in their fourth line role. Kept the Stars in hemmed in their zone consistenly. I'm not so concerned about the Leafs defensive play at all. Sure it can get better, but most teams have problems early in the better. Thought Ozzie looked good last night. If the Dmen aren't good enough, the Leafs do have assets to trade if necessary.</div></div>
Agreed. I think people need to respect the cap more with the new makeup of the team. this PP oldest player is 27, they could theoretically be PP1 for 5-7 years depending on Kadri and Tavares deterioration with age. As much as I would love Parayko, I think Cap space is better so if they filled a roster spot and had 2 future picks in the first round that could come in in 3 years, that is how you have high paid elite talent stay, by having cheap skilled players in the farm. They already have an elite AHL team and now they want to stock their ECHL team. The Leafs can spot fill holes with low slary players, I think there is a reason that Holl and Goat both have 2 year deals, because combined they take up only 1.5 mil which saves cap.
If they trade Nylander for future players and next years cap space, I would be okay with that move. More time for PP1, which is 5/10 in 4 games. That is insane. They NHL is trending with analytics to a deflection and empty net PP, which is why the Leafs score so easily it seems. They had 25% last year and now they have Tavares. Sorry Willy, you are not an 8mil dollar player. I don't even know if he plays on the third line because of defensive liability. If they traded him for Simmons and 2 firsts I would be fine with that.
Johnsson/Lindholm-Kadri-Simmons (shutdown/forcheck/draw penalties line)
Ennis-Goat/Lindholm-Brown (Kill 10 mins line, let Matty and John rest)
This team would not only win a playoff series, they would be awful to play and matchup against.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div></div></div>
I think you are completely correct, which if there is one logical trade in my mind it is Panarin (obviously with an extension) I think Panarin is a better player with the same talents only even more elite vision. Columbus is at a crisis where 2 of their best players have said they are leaving. I think they would pay willy 8 or 8.5 and he could be their franchise player along with Seth Jones and Werenski, hopefully, youth and skill could save the franchise. I think for the Leafs Panarin would make the most logical sense because he is better than Marner, at least I think so, if Marner is better than the Leafs have 3 top 10 players already. Let's say Panarin signs 7 x 9.5, much like Tavares getting 11 and kind of capping RFA Matthews, if Panarin played with Matthews and had more points than Marner, that would knock down his cap hit.
Ideally, I want Matthews-Nylander Tavares-Marner for the next 10 years where the Leafs can win Cups and all of their jerseys can hang in the SBA together. But if Nylander is deadset on 8, and willing to start losing paycheques this weeks, the Leafs should flex their muscles and make him come to them. I think they can win without him, so if he is there this team will be very good.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>I voted No. Not that the Leafs should pay him 8m. It sets a terrible precedent for the team, if they trade a RFA, just because he might make money more money elsewhere. What, next year Matthews and Marner refuse to sign because they know they can get a few more dollars elsewhere and knowing that it Leaf policy to trade unsigned RFAs.
RFAs have virtually no rights being able to go from various teams bargaining for the best money. That's reserved for UFAs.</div></div>
I am not trading Willy because I want to, I'm trading him because he will not be the reason this team has cap issues. He is, in terms of importance 7th. The 3 centers, Reilly, Freddy, Mitch and then him. I think Willy could have 80 points in a few years, I do not think he will have 100. I think Mitch with have a 100 point season playing with Tavares so if he was 9.5 (Kucherov) of 10.5 (Kane) and he proved to be worth that he should be paid. Matthew's is 11 and that's easy. But you are not losing mitch because you played Willy. The Leafs are a matchup Nightmare with 3 centers who all score from the dangerous areas. The Lwafs could win the cup and they could do it without Nylander
Kadri-Brown (Shutdown with hopefully Johnsson.) When the lwafs are on home side Babas will be laughing at opponents as Matthew's comes.out against 3rd lines and Marleau is putting the puck in empty nets, it's not fair.
So if Willy wants 6.5 great. If he was 7.25 for 8 years, awesome. If he was 5 for 2 years, great that means a little extra cap space in the 2020 of season. But if he says that he is Drisaitl, I say no or at least joe here. You are the 8th ot 9th center on this team, you could be 1C a lot of other places if you want 8 5 we will find you a hole, and get equal value back to win the Stanley cup.
If Seth Jones wasn't hurt I would make that tree then pair nylander and panarin and hopefully panarin chnace his mind.
I would like to know other players you would trade nylander for. And it's not a bunch of picks and prospects the Lefs are sending away a star, they need one in return.
I also would call Edmonton. They need to make McDavid happen. Klefbom + Yamomoto for Nylander
I think I make that trade as both teams. Then McDavid can have at least 1 good winger.