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Forum: Armchair-GMMar 18 at 3:16

Thread: We Couldve Had This Unstoppable Team

Forum: Armchair-GMMar 17 at 3:16

Thread: Leonards Team

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchMarnerElite </b></div><div><a href="/users/MajesticWalrus" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@MajesticWalrus</a> <a href="/users/datools" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@datools</a> <a href="/users/Chigurrhh" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Chigurrhh</a> <a href="/users/Jesus" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Jesus</a> <a href="/users/gaudetster" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@gaudetster</a> <a href="/users/mhockey91" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@mhockey91</a> <a href="/users/dgfresh78" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@dgfresh78</a>

What'd you guys think of this?</div></div>

I think the top 4 is a little weak, obviously Pastrnak would be ideal

Forum: Armchair-GMMar 12 at 3:13

Thread: Marner deal

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Boomer125</b></div><div>Not at 22 years old, Leafs would regret that trade for years and live that down, I get he's overpaid at this point - every fan said the same about Nylander , move him he's overpaid, Marner will be just fine - moving him for a Big and that's all Zadorov is is big 3rd pair LHD and 2 sure to be 25-31 OA picks is a fireable never working at that level again move</div></div>

I agree, need to trade Marner who is elite RW for an Elite RHD, or else why would you trade him at all

Forum: Armchair-GMMar 12 at 1:31

Thread: Marner deal

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Capitalfail67</b></div><div>Big thing here for me is Guentzel is a proven talent in the playoffs and is putting up similar numbers to marner for about half the price. Assuming th cap stays flat Guentzel is worth 3x marner bc of his cheap contact or $/point production. Teams need cap space and production. Marner might be young and slightly better but him being a top 5 paid players makes his contract ugly currently</div></div>

You bet, I'm a way bigger Guentzel fan than Marner. I'd never send out Jake to get Mitch. But 1v1, who is better at age 26, I might lean Marner... (obviously no context or contract accounted for)

Forum: Armchair-GMMar 12 at 1:24

Thread: Marner deal

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Capitalfail67</b></div><div>I mean without diving into CORSI basic stats for the lesser replacement

JG
39gp 20g 23a 43p (1.10ppg) (.51gpg)

MM
59gp 16g 51a 67p (1.13ppg) (.27gpg)

I’d say Guentzel and Marner are very close in skill. So for Pittsburgh to add a high end top 4 RHD to this equation would be a terrible idea. I’d actually give Guentzel the edge since Marner at best will have 20-25 goals. We can dip into the “advance stats” I’m not a huge fan but if I had to we could.

Oh yeah. Guentzel also isn’t ridiculously overpaid forgot about that part</div></div>

Difference for me is Marner is 3 years younger so even more room to grow and who knows what Marner would be like playing with Sid and what Guentzel would be like playing with Tavares

Forum: Armchair-GMMar 12 at 1:23

Thread: Roster Overhaul

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchMarnerElite </b></div><div>I like the ice of your trades, it’s just, I think Toronto would be more interested in getting a Manson, Pesce or Ellis instead. Those guys would cost less as well. I also don’t like adding in Rust. Maybe Hornqvist with retained salary / Simon could go the other way along with the pick.</div></div>

Agree on all of that!

Forum: Armchair-GMMar 12 at 12:07

Thread: Marner deal

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jamiepo</b></div><div>Defence is 18 guys, not 6... the other 2 guys need to pitch in a little better as well. Which they have been doing over the last stretch.

Leafs will have the cap space and trade capital to upgrade a Dman on the right side next season without moving any core players. That is really all that is needed.</div></div>

If the cap doesn't go up much due to virus it looks really tight no?

Forum: Armchair-GMMar 12 at 11:58

Thread: Marner deal

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jamiepo</b></div><div>I agree, Well besides straight up being unfair. But I just don’t see guentzal as a great fit in return either. Leafs have a ton of forwards with goal scoring touch. Need more possession/playmakers if marner is moved... which begs the question... why move him. He kills penalties, has a solid 200 Foot game and tees up our snipers.</div></div>

With how loaded they are up front, I think they need to trade for D, that kind of looks like what they've been missing for 2 years.
However they could chose to move Nylander instead? I assume both Matthews and Tavares are untouchable and I don't think the other forwards could fetch an Elite RHD

Forum: Armchair-GMMar 12 at 11:53

Thread: Marner deal

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Claesson4Norris</b></div><div>I don't think I'd do Guentzel for Marner straight up. Goals are worth more than assists, and Guentzel is One of the best young goalscorers in the league. Plus he on a ridiculous value contract.</div></div>

Stand alone, Marner is a better player than Guentzel. However with the context of their contracts, that impacts value for sure.
Hard to tell what their stats would look like if they switched teams you know?

Forum: Armchair-GMMar 12 at 11:48

Thread: Marner deal

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jamiepo</b></div><div>Not really the type of Dman Toronto is looking for though. Barrie is having a really rough go. Net season running

Muzzin-Karlsson
Rielly-Holl
Sandin-liljegren

Wouldn’t be horrible. But I would be looking for 2way guy like jones or Ellis coming back in a marner Trade.</div></div>

You're right, I could see Rielly really being the offense guy if you gave him a 2 way guy. Not married to Karlsson, obviously I'm a Pens fan so doing this for Pens' reasons. Could totally switch to sending a smaller package to NSH or CBJ and then taking Jones or Ellis and sweetening the deal to Toronto for Marner

Forum: Armchair-GMMar 12 at 11:40

Thread: Marner deal

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SammyT_51</b></div><div>I mean.. price would be big for him and lesser replacement and top-4 D is the minimum he should get back tbh.</div></div>

Yeah but Karlsson isn't just top 4 D, he's arguably top 10 D overall, without injured games his pace puts him at #8 in the league for points.
However his injury history is a big question mark for sure

Forum: Armchair-GMMar 12 at 11:37

Thread: Marner deal

Well considering Karlsson is on pace for almost 60 pts (even though he has to split 1st line and PP time with Burns) and can play 30 mins a night, I think he's still very much elite.
Granted Pens might have to sweeten the pot on the deal Karlsson + for Marner, I don't think Karlsson + Guentzel is a reasonable ask at all.

Forum: Armchair-GMMar 12 at 10:59

Thread: Roster Overhaul

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchMarnerElite </b></div><div><a href="/users/datools" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@datools</a> <a href="/users/claysbar" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@claysbar</a> <a href="/users/gaudetster" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@gaudetster</a>

What’d you guys think of this team?</div></div>

I don't agree with the premise that this team stinks. However I like the idea of a Marner trade, here's how I would do. Thinking is Toronto wants a RHD.
<a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1677200">https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1677200</a>

Forum: Armchair-GMMar 9 at 2:02

Thread: Trades

I love the trade with Toronto but I think they want someone who can step in immediately. I think they'd ask for Buchnevich instead of some of those prospects. If you're NYR I think you're safe to roll with Kreider, Panarin, Marner and Kakko as your top 6 wingers moving into the future

Forum: Armchair-GMMar 9 at 1:56

Thread: What is Matt Murrays Trade Value

Yeah there are two question, to trade him or not and what is his value. Sounds like you're just asking one of those two questions so not much point debating yes or no.
Because of Pen's pushes and the fact that they don't have any huge imminent needs next season (bottom pair RHD to replace Schultz?) I think they just move him for a 1st that they can use at the next deadline. It's true the market is tough but maybe on July 10th, once the dust has settled with the FAs, if someone is still short a goalie he would be next best available. There are more teams looking than available solid starting goalies.

Available Starting Goalies:
Holtby
Lehner

Teams that might be in the market if they don't sign their pending UFAs/Goalies who might be available:
Vancouver - Markstrom
Chicago - Crawford

Teams most likely looking to upgrade:
Edmonton
San Jose
Buffalo
Carolina
Detroit
Colorado
Ottawa

Team maybe looking to upgrade:
Calgary
Minnesota
New Jersey

Forum: Armchair-GMMar 9 at 1:37

Thread: ALL STAR FRENZY A Trade To Remember 2002 MelodramaDrama

What?

Forum: Armchair-GMMar 6 at 12:03

Thread: trades

Good ideas for trades but wrong teams in my opinion, I think MTL has too many ''could be top 6'' center prospects. So they'd either want a good center now or a LHD.
Pens are happy with Marino and Letang as top 2 RHD, would consider it if he didn't have another year on the deal but he does and they need the cap in that off season.

I'd try the same deals elsewhere!

Forum: Armchair-GMMar 6 at 12:00

Thread: elite

I thought Hurricane fans didn't like TVR

Forum: Armchair-GMMar 6 at 12:00

Thread: Why would you do this though

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>Who proposed this? Maybe a package like this for Johnny Hockey but with a 1st round pick and no JJ</div></div>

No one on earth would propose this, fingers crossed that Treliving isn't looking to do something crazy like this to shake up the core

Forum: Armchair-GMMar 6 at 11:58

Thread: Why would you do this though

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hammerwise</b></div><div>Any trade that's 4 players and a pick for 1 is doubtful....and the fact that jack Johnson is in there, when he has negative value is also a clue.</div></div>

Oh you bet, the value on this is very weird, especially when a goalie is part of the deal, could be way more picks and prospects to Calgary

Forum: Armchair-GMMar 6 at 11:56

Thread: Why would you do this though

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MaxDomi13</b></div><div>And Monahan becomes a 3C; not ideal.</div></div>

For him? no
For Pens? Hell yeah

Forum: Armchair-GMMar 4 at 1:31

Thread: Outside the box - Labanc to ARI

SJS adds heavily, you can't get a #5 overall pick for a 40-50 point winger at the end of his development curve

Forum: Armchair-GMMar 4 at 1:28

Thread: Next years all in

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Scoob1978</b></div><div>The deal doesn't seem to make sense for either team. Henrique might perk up on a contender but he's having a down year. The most interesting pieces are DeSmith and Simon and neither really fills Anaheim's needs.</div></div>

Pens get to consolidate assets into the best player in the deal. Anaheim gets to remove the longest term contract for big cap relief next season, gives them a reliable backup G to replace Miller who might want to go on a run, Bjugstad fills the C void left by Henrique, Simon and Rodriguez are reliable top 12Fs at a good price which allows Anaheim to stop bouncing their young forwards up and down and let them develop in the AHL. Value is hard to gauge though with so many players involved

Forum: Armchair-GMMar 4 at 1:14

Thread: Next years all in

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>villenash</b></div><div>Most contracts seem in the ballpark, but DeMelo will get more term/AAV I think - not by a crazy amount, but he will. Maybe a $3m x 3 type of deal</div></div>

Yup that's fair, I always really liked him but was surprised to hear he only went for a 3rd at the deadline... Any other UFA RHD for 2, 2.5 would work

Forum: Armchair-GMMar 4 at 1:12

Thread: Next years all in

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Scoob1978</b></div><div>I love Henrique and I will never forget The Call against the Rangers but he is not the same player. He definitely lost a little.</div></div>

Do you think the deal is an overpay?
I see Alzner as a negative, and all other pieces except for Rodriguez will require a chunk of salary, I've aslo asked for 1M retention on 4 years,
What do you think?

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