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Forum: Armchair-GM21 hours ago
Thread: interesting trade idea
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>That is a very interesting deal...for Detroit.

Kent Johnson + 1st would probably enough, no?</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bagelbob</b></div><div>is dylan larkin connor mcdavid?? this is like more than DOUBLE the eichel deal. i doubt the wings trade him but this is genuinely insane value, cbj would never do this</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Redstinger</b></div><div>Larkin won't be traded anytime soon, if he was, it would take more than Johnson and a 1rst.</div></div>


2 things to think about with this, first we can not use Eichel to compare to really anything because of his specific circumstances. Demanding a trade, neck surgery, 10m cap hit etc. Yes he was better than Larkin but if he had been healthy and no concern on what condition he would be when he returned, then everyone knows Buffalo could have got a lot more. Also, Mcdavid has never and will likely never ever be available, so its also not a valid comparison, If he was the package put forward in this trade would be a gross UNDER payment.

The second thing. I would think Larkin if available (which no one believes he is so this is all hypothetical) would go for essentially three 1st round equivalent pieces, so Johnson and two 1sts? or swap one of those pieces for equivalent. He's on a fair contract, plays solid at center, plays with a lot of heart and extremely humble, which is why he got the C and also likely why he wouldn't be traded unless a solid over payment. Johnson looks great (I personally believe he will be the steal of that draft at 5 and should have went before McTavish) but none of them are in NHL both feet and producing like Larkin, so try not to get wrapped up in the prospect potential.

I guess what im getting at is, at face value, do I think CBJ do this deal? No. However, the CBJ need to asses when they are ready to try. When will they be ready to push for deep a deep playoff run? If that's now Larkin does a whole lot more for the team than picks and prospects and it would take a lot more than any fan will admit to get him, so every deal you see on here is waaaaay to easy to say "CBJ decline easily"
Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 9:21 a.m.
Thread: EP40
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mikearky</b></div><div>There is zero chance Yzerman trades those pieces. Young, cost controlled and high ceilings. This guys the rebuild and sets team back years, all for one player.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NoVaSpartan</b></div><div>Way(x24) too much.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kellen</b></div><div>In one trade you've ruined the entire rebuild</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Chabotrrorr</b></div><div>Take out Raymond, Seider, the 1rst 2023 and both 2nds and maybe you have yourself a deal (like a 1rst + a 4th)</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GenW</b></div><div>You're about to get blasted for this one man</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Letter_Kenny</b></div><div>Puke. 🤮 Not happening. Clown ACGM. 🤡</div></div>



I agree with all of you,

I love EP tho, so im curious, what do you guys think (not specific players yet) it would take to get EP?

I doubt DET would have what it takes without ruining the rebuild but im curious? Top Prospect + Two 1sts and a 2nd?

Edvinson + Two 1sts and a 2nd?
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 27, 2021 at 11:27 p.m.
Thread: Another TDL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Letter_Kenny</b></div><div>Is Greiss really an upgrade over Smith and Koskinen? I don't think he is. Yzerman couldn't get a 2nd for Bernier last trade deadline and he played way better than Greiss did with the same team in front of him.</div></div>

I would argue Griess is AS good as Bernier was for us, not better but I dont think hes that much worse although his numbers arent great I believe hes got a bit of the Zadina effect going where numbers are worse than his actual play (but I put this out there as strictly my opinion)

But Bern was traded in the summer, so theres really no way to know what he was offered for Bernier at the TDL if anything at all? Now I imagine youre probably right if he HAD been offered a 2nd, likely would have taken that

However, if you think of it this way, Ned is likely also worth a 2nd or more right? So we got him for Bern and a 3rd.. so if we eliminate the 3rd from the trade and tack on a bad contract coming back in Turris, I still dont see how that isnt worth a 2nd round pick?
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 20, 2021 at 7:31 p.m.
Thread: Wings
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bigboi69</b></div><div>NYR isn’t gonna trade their top 10 pick from 3 years ago for a 3rd</div></div>

This is just my opinion, But Dude, busts happen, Im not saying he is for sure just yet, but I am saying hes looking a lot more like a bust than a boom at this point. 2 different coaches and 2 different GMs have concluded he can not crack the NYR roster and should go to the AHL (in which he didnt kill it there either). So, if you think youre getting a 1st or some blue chip prospect back, based on what? Hes done nothing at the NHL level. Trust me as a wings fan it hurt seeing Cholowski turn into dust, we needed that 1st round pick to be good, he just isnt, Or Svechnikov. Continually thought to be a top 6 guy some day, every time some one put a trade with him away from the wings everyone would freak out saying exactly what youre saying now. "We arent giving up a 1st round pick for X" .. and now hes gone for 0 and likely never going to be anything, Think about if this kid goes back to KHL and you never get anything
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 22, 2021 at 10:19 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 22, 2021 at 9:10 p.m.
Thread: goalie options
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KDow88</b></div><div>Makes 0 sense to do... Koskinen has 1 year left on this deal, Dobby had one solid run, otherwise has been a career backup, why get older and add more term while giving up draft assets.. The Oilers would be better off with Koskinen and Smith, while bringing up Skinner, Rodrigue, Konovalev for spot starts, OR trading for a BETTER than Smith starter....</div></div>


While I agree that paying DET a 2nd for salary retention while Dallas gets a worse pick for the player makes little sense, I also tend to agree that the price to upgrade a goalie might be more than what EDM wants to do, I disagree it makes 0 sense to look into an upgrade, EDM is in prime Mcdavid and Draisaitl time, and I absolutely do not think Koskinen can take them to the finals or win a cup. They should look to upgrade, Its just going to be very difficult without giving up good assets, and if they do, would it be for someone whos worth it?
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 21, 2021 at 12:31 a.m.
Thread: TDL Deals
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JS1</b></div><div>As in the description. What changes in picks make it work. Be real. Buffalo ask was 4 first which they won't get. This is 3 first and 3 seconds. How far off?</div></div>

But this argument is flawed, it is not about quantity, its about quality. If i offered you 20 total pieces made up of 5th round picks and career AHL players, you would laugh right? But if I offered you a Lucas Raymond and Moritz Seider...? sounds like it might be worth something.. I doubt they get 4 total 1st round pieces, but i really doubt they would entertain a trade for a bonified 1st line C superstar under contract without including 1 of Laf, Kak, or a 1st.. While ALSO retaining 2m? Its not even close to reasonable IMO, i think if the Rangers want Eichel THINK LIKE YOU RUN THE BUFFALO SABRES and your job depended on doing a good job, would you make this deal? No you would not..