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Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 25 at 4:54 p.m.
Thread: The Only Way
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 25 at 4:51 p.m.
Thread: The Only Way
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeterChiarelli</b></div><div>They can ask for whatever they want on the market, it's a matter of whether or not they get it.

The noise surrounding Habs fans and Monahan absolutely fetching a first at the deadline led me to deep-dive what equivalent players went for last year. Rental #3C's go for a second round pick on average. Dowd wouldn't be a rental but he's also very much a #4C. Rental #4C's range from a 4th round pick to a pair of 5ths from what I could note. If I just double THAT value to account for Dowd having an extra season on the end of his deal, unretained one would be looking at something in the ballpark of a 3rd and a C-prospect. A second round pick covers the bill in full on a retained Dowd, or at the very least should and sentiment is clouding the judgment of those who would ask for excessively more than that. More or less why I would argue that Coleman and Goodrow are poor comparisons: those were top-nine pieces (when they were moved) with term. A second round pick and a crapshoot prospect is more than market enough.

Likewise, which team is objectively close enough to being a legitimate Stanley Cup contender to shed a first on their #4C? Boston and Colorado both want a top-six center, Florida and Dallas probably want a top LHD. Edmonton has need for a 1B goaltender, legitimate Ceci upgrade, and one could split hairs on whether or not they should prioritize a #2RW or #4C.

Lindgren will never fetch a first, term be damned. The only time first round picks are exchanged for goalers are when they happen to be incidental parts of a larger deal. I made it to the summer of 2015 before giving up on my search to find any goaltenders that had been directly traded for a first round pick at the deadline and could only find Fleury for a conditional first. Besides that, the closest we get to this is Kuemper four days following the 2021 draft. Lindgren has been a good piece for the Caps this year but doesn't come with the name power that Fleury did nor does he have the resume.

Realistically the only thing that would dissuade Washington from taking the 2024 and 2026 Oilers' seconds is having to wait until 2026 to collect on the second pick.

I'll clarify: I don't necessarily hate using the 2024 1st but my priority for that pick is to upgrade on Ceci. If that cannot happen I don't mind using it plus the 2025 3rd to acquire both Dowd and Lindgren, I just want full value for that trade. A first and a third, plus whatever minor prospect is sent out, far exceeds that ballpark pair of seconds mark, even if we're looking at retention on Dowd. Hence my ask of late picks offset by the same range that Edmonton's picks would be offset by.</div></div>

Yep that's all very fair; good assessment. As EDM I'd obviously much rather trade the 2nds. Just trying to see it from a WSH perspective, and whether they decide if their price isn't met this year that they just hold onto the players.

My priority for the team would be a Ceci upgrade but I just don't see one out there. Unless you could somehow get Larsson back, or get someone like Pulock/Weegar/Marino/Zub, I wouldn't be spending much for a UFA upgrade. With Perry coming in, Holloway looking good, McLeod/Foegele producing, and hopefully Kane getting healthy and producing again, I feel like 4C &gt; 2RW at the moment. Especially one with Dowd's defensive prowess. Grab a 1B with him in the same trade and you're basically set. Maybe both 2nds + whichever C-ish level prospect is enough to get you there.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 25 at 4:06 p.m.
Thread: The Only Way
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