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Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 3, 2018 at 11:27 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 2, 2018 at 3:46 p.m.
Thread: OTT - Brady Tkachuk opts out?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Vanderm</b></div><div>He will definitely sign an NHL contract, but what if he threatens to keep reading books at BU for 1, 2, or even the full 3 years? The situation in OTT isn't exactly making it a destination spot for any players, whether they're established NHLers, current OTT roster players, or prospects.

Wouldn't it make sense for Dorion to get some value sooner and move beyond the situation in that case?

- That package above gets OTT a former 4th overall pick who is only 21 years old and is from Ontario. Sure, he's got his warts -- but his first season in the NHL was very impressive for an 18-year old. Not everyone develops on a steady "hockey stick" curve.
- The rumor mill has been pretty open that Anderson might prefer to get out -- so that moves $4.75M of salary out of OTT (Melnyk applauds it).
- OTT gets back Mark Stone's brother (DO ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO IN ORDER TO KEEP MARK STONE).
- Gillies is currently pegged for backup time on CGY's main roster and is at risk of having the potential to be a capable starter in the NHL within 1-3 years. Replaces Anderson, gets OTT young crease depth.
- Phillips you may not have familiarity with, but he's a very good prospect and a center (<a href="http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=180387" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=180387</a>).

Two young centers, a roster #5 dman who helps you keep Mark Stone around, and a young goalie ready for NHL backup duty, plus a 2nd round pick to boot. Pretty good package to offload uncertainty.</div></div>

I think you are over-estimating the value of every piece coming back to Ottawa. Whether you bring in his brother or not, Mark Stone isn't staying if they don't pay him the money he feels he deserves. Ultimately, whether it's through arbitration or not, I would be shocked if Mark Stone wasn't a Senator for a very long time.

Additionally, show me one player who was drafted in the top five, had just finished a year of University, and who went back for the next 3 years. If you can find one, I will be absolutely shocked but will admit my fault.

So no, if I'm Dorion, I would stick with the guy I just picked 4th overall and hope he is a centerpiece of turning this franchise around. Do you think Ottawa would have used this pick and given up next year's first rounder, to pick a guy who they would give up on after 2 months? The scenario doesn't make any sense, and if it happened, I think Dorion would likely never land another GM gig in the NHL.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 31, 2018 at 11:50 a.m.
Thread: Would this trade make more sense now than at the deadline?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>joshelkin</b></div><div>I'm not going to discount Heinen too much, because clearly I think he has potential. But, my true concern is his sample size. Even before his call up, he didn't do much at all in the AHL. He has 14 points in 64 games back in 2016-17 (which was his best season). The points he put up last year (0.61/gm pace) may have been a blip.</div></div>

Agreed, however your post is asking whether it makes more sense to do it now. As much as it may make more sense, I think you probably get more at the deadline. Heinen just had 47 points. He's worth a lot right now, especially considering how young he is. Not taking anything away from Ebs, just don't think he'd fetch this right now. At the deadline, I could see getting a first, second and third for Ebs. Or maybe Heinen and a 2nd/3rd. Just my opinion.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 30, 2018 at 2:52 p.m.
Thread: Conversation thread! What you guys think would be a fair deal for C.Price?
Really interesting thread. I'll put out a disclaimer that I don't think a team would ever be willing to take on Price's contract, and even less likely he'd wave his NMC to move to 95% of the teams in the league. That being said, I could see a team with an already good, but not great goalie kicking tires on something like this. I think the options as to where to send Price would likely look like: STL, CBJ, SJ, and COL. I just think that in order to fit Price's contract, there would have to be a team already paying a goalie big money, or having a goalie/player on a walk year and be willing to move them. Below are my packages for Price that I think would be fair from each team II mentioned above.

STL:
-Jake Allen, 2nd round Pick, Jay Bouwmeester, Jordan Kyrou (take out Kyrou, add in a first)

CBJ:
-Bobrovsky OR Panarin (whoever is willing to sign a deal in MTL), Milano, Dubinsky, 5th round pick

SJ: Jones, Tierney, 1st rounder, 4th rounder

COL: Varlamov (without extension), COL 1st, Kamenev, Soderberg, Greer--&gt; 4th rounder comes back with Price
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 27, 2018 at 11:56 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2018 at 12:19 p.m.
Thread: Karlsson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DustyDitch</b></div><div>do you guys understand how the world works? Florida has no state income tax. $9.5m in Florida is a lot more than $11-12m in another city. on paper it may appear to be a pay cut, but in his bank account it isn't. why do you think Stammer signed the deal he did?

and Karlsson in UFA status isn't that far of a stretch, especially if the Sens can't move him before the season starts. if a trade happens after September it is going to be a rental move, not a long term move...</div></div>

Absolutely I do. You think Dallas or Florida or Edmonton or Arizona wouldn't be willing to give him 2+mil more per season than Tampa? all of those teams have similar, if not better tax breaks than TBL. Dallas has Klingberg, Edmonton Klefbom, Arizona OEL. There's connections everywhere. Just because you have a different stance doesn't make you right. Realistically, none of us have any say in what happens to NHL teams. I think this is a site that encourages discussion around what we would like to see our favourite teams and players do, not askother hockey fans if they have any idea of how the world works.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2018 at 11:16 a.m.
Thread: Karlsson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Davisoc</b></div><div>He is really good friends with Hedman and Hedman took a very friendly deal to stay in Tampa, just like Kuch and Stamkos. I really wouldn't be surprised if you saw a free agent signing similar to JT in Toronto. By that I mean Karlsson signing for 1-3mill below market value to go to that team in particular.</div></div>

No matter who has taken a discount in Tampa, they haven't taken this big of a discount. this contract is at least 1.5 mil annually lower than what Karlsson is worth, probably closer to 2. Now think about all the teams that have the space for him, and think about how high those numbers will likely be. Gotta think someone would offer him 13x7yrs. Think he's taking a 3.5mil annual discount? Thats leaving almost 25mil on a deal. Not a chance.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 25, 2018 at 3:46 p.m.
Thread: Dirk's Dynasty
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dirk_Dangler</b></div><div>1. Karlsson is only a one year rental if he stayed on the Leafs because in no way can they afford him after this coming season.
2. Parayko is the style of defender that the Leafs need, his age and remaining term on his contract make him worth more than Karlsson to the Leafs.
3. I don't know if you live under a rock, but Bennett hasn't lit the world on fire in Calgary and if he wants to play center he needs to battle with a depth chart of: Monahan, Backlund, Lindholm (if they play him at center), Ryan, and Jankowski. Maybe he could find his game playing 4th line center in Toronto playing behind Tavares, Matthews, and Kadri. Your dismissal out of hand of this trade is mind boggling.</div></div>

1. Then why would the Leafs trade for him?
2. Why would you give up Nielson, Gardiner, Bracco, a 1st, 2 2nds AND ERIK KARLSSON for Colton Parayko? That would quite possibly go down as the worst trade in the history of the NHL. And I really like Parayko.
3. CGY could get something better elsewhere. Trade Bennett to PIT for DeSmith or Jarry. Carrick wouldn't play in their lineup, and Leivo is a fourth liner.

I gotta agree with csick on this one, trading Karlsson to the leafs would have to be a grand slam for the Sens, and this is nowhere close to that.