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Armchair-GM
Jul. 23, 2020 at 12:34 p.m.
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If they have to trade Schwartz
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dp6154</b></div><div>why not though? I mean I get this draft is supposed to be deep and the Blues are thin on picks (turn out if you go all in you have repercussions later, super duper worth it of course, that's why teams go all in, if anything the Blues going all in for a center two years in a row finally breaking the great drought might be the best case ever to point to for going all in paying off, but nonetheless) but Armstrong ahs never shown fear in trading away a first, even if he's not acquiring a big name upgrade this time.
Also why would he, in his 10 years here, he's not had a 1st round pick 4 times and his 5 or 6 years (depending on if you credit him or Pleau with 2010 since he barely had time to get stuff in order and was busy with the Halak trade for most of his early tenure) that he did have a first, he's since the great Schwartz/Tarasenko round gotten Thomas and if you wanna count the beautiful window of hope for Fabbri before his knees happened, and that's really it of consequence, and yet the Blues are defending cup champs, in a position to win again this year, and only looking at a slight downgrade next year if they retain Pietrangelo putting them in another great position next year. That doesn't mean he should devalue firsts but if ti makes sense those aren't exactly his primary tool of success
Also just on a general level I know looking at the thin prospects and lack of 1st and 2nds these next two years looks dire but if it comes down to keeping Steen or dumping him with a 1st to bring Pietrangelo back, collapsing a playoff window by losing your best player and leaving yourself somewhere between middling get into the playoffs but not far team and rebuild, with very little to build off of (see: The wild or the sharks) over one late first seems, yeah that's just super duper unwise. I think that's the perspective that gets lost when you look at a 1st rounder in a vacuum or panic over a lack of picks or think about "getting nothing" with a cap dump to retain a guy (not sure which of these 3 positions either you are coming from or you are assuming Armstrong is coming from)</div></div>
I feel like a lot of people are falling into the "Steen or Pietrangelo" trap when that is really not true. Steen is the most difficult (full NTC) and expensive (both in cap hit and in potential sweetner) to move. He's 36. In addition, he's been a part of this team for a zillion years. There are players that make more sense to move. Bozak provides better value, has nearly the same cap hit, and plays a position of depth for the Blues that also happens to be a highly sought after position around the league. So why is everyone trying to trade Steen?
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 23, 2020 at 10:20 a.m.
Thread:
Offseason Edition - 25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BStinson</b></div><div>You’re forgetting Khudobin, Talbot, Markstrom, Greiss, and Crawford. You’re also forgetting teams are positioning themselves for the expansion draft. Not all of those teams you mentioned will have the cap to go after the top tier FA goalies. It’s not like Allen fits the Detroit rebuild or is some stud 1A. He’s a good goalie in a tandem but people are blowing up this last season from a sample size of 24. It’s also is inconvenient that he expires at the same time as Bernier but maybe they will compete harder for that next contract. That’s not even factoring in the RFAs that may be available this offseason (Murray, Jarry, Demko, etc.) or teams trying to shed cap like Arizona (Raanta). So yeah there is more supply than demand given COVID and expansion draft.</div></div>
Steve Y loves projects. He could see the potential in Allen and see if he can figure it out
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 23, 2020 at 10:56 a.m.
Thread:
If they have to trade Schwartz
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>STLBlues17</b></div><div>He actually does have some solid underlyings, but they have never translated to driving goal rates in his career so there’s obviously something going on.</div></div>
Don't forget that Carolina was dreadful for most of his seasons there. They were always mediocre to horrible at scoring goals and mediocre to horrible at stopping them. The first time during Faulk's Carolina tenure that they finished in the top half of either GF or GA came last season, when they were 6th in GA. Heck, he was either 3rd or 4th on the team in goal scoring three straight seasons at one point - that's messed up.
Anyway, we'll see if he can lift his level to an acceptable place starting in a couple weeks. If he plays like he did toward the end of the regular season as we win another Cup, I'd imagine opinions about him will soften greatly. And more importantly, his move value will rise.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 23, 2020 at 10:32 a.m.
Thread:
If they have to trade Schwartz
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dp6154</b></div><div>ooooh that Texier move is slick. I like it.The sample is much smaller but so far he looks VERY Schwartz as a top 6 guy scores less than you think he should but dominates possession. It's a great comp with huge savings and if it wasn't for the fact that Blues are hardcore in win now mode especially if they do keep Pietrangelo, it's just a good move long term with Schwartz only having a year left
Also i don't think Husso is anything to worry about as the backup goalie plan. it didn't happen this year because Husso was coming off a down year and injury and Binnington wasn't a proven starter yet. All 3 of those issues have been resolved in a positive fashion for the Blues and Armstrong has shown before he's not afraid of midseason backup goalie moves (whether it's in like Brodeur as would apply here, or out like Chad Johnson)</div></div>
It would be shrewd. As much as I like Schwartz, I think trading him before he walks might be a better option than forking over a good asset for a cap dump. I loved what I saw from
Sanford this year and I kind of also think Blais will break out at some point which could make up a bit for Schwartz. Assuming Thomas takes a too-6 spot and you’ve got Schenn, Sanford, and Blais as LW’s. Not bad. I think they’d need to get an NHL ready forward or ELC player better than Kyrou/Kostin to even get the ball rolling though. My first thought was someone like a Jan Jenik, but he’s injured which is risky. Obviously Texier would be ideal, but CBJ fans seemed uninterested.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 23, 2020 at 10:06 a.m.
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If they have to trade Schwartz
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>Personally, I like point shares as an indicator. Then there's his Corsi and Fenwick numbers, possession numbers, all sorts of good stuff there.</div></div>
He actually does have some solid underlyings, but they have never translated to driving goal rates in his career so there’s obviously something going on.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 23, 2020 at 10:04 a.m.
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If they have to trade Schwartz
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dp6154</b></div><div>why not though? I mean I get this draft is supposed to be deep and the Blues are thin on picks (turn out if you go all in you have repercussions later, super duper worth it of course, that's why teams go all in, if anything the Blues going all in for a center two years in a row finally breaking the great drought might be the best case ever to point to for going all in paying off, but nonetheless) but Armstrong ahs never shown fear in trading away a first, even if he's not acquiring a big name upgrade this time.
Also why would he, in his 10 years here, he's not had a 1st round pick 4 times and his 5 or 6 years (depending on if you credit him or Pleau with 2010 since he barely had time to get stuff in order and was busy with the Halak trade for most of his early tenure) that he did have a first, he's since the great Schwartz/Tarasenko round gotten Thomas and if you wanna count the beautiful window of hope for Fabbri before his knees happened, and that's really it of consequence, and yet the Blues are defending cup champs, in a position to win again this year, and only looking at a slight downgrade next year if they retain Pietrangelo putting them in another great position next year. That doesn't mean he should devalue firsts but if ti makes sense those aren't exactly his primary tool of success
Also just on a general level I know looking at the thin prospects and lack of 1st and 2nds these next two years looks dire but if it comes down to keeping Steen or dumping him with a 1st to bring Pietrangelo back, collapsing a playoff window by losing your best player and leaving yourself somewhere between middling get into the playoffs but not far team and rebuild, with very little to build off of (see: The wild or the sharks) over one late first seems, yeah that's just super duper unwise. I think that's the perspective that gets lost when you look at a 1st rounder in a vacuum or panic over a lack of picks or think about "getting nothing" with a cap dump to retain a guy (not sure which of these 3 positions either you are coming from or you are assuming Armstrong is coming from)</div></div>
I just think that’s not how he’ll role. Like I think that’s probably a last ditch type option
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2020 at 8:36 p.m.
Thread:
If they have to trade Schwartz
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>1- <a href="https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/f/faulkju01.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Well, that's not true.</a>
2- Yes, that is true.
3- We shall see. It may not look like it today, but I still think there's a fair chance he'll be off to Seattle. Francis didn't draft him, but he did bear witness to his best seasons and wasn't who traded him.</div></div>
What am I looking at here? I know he put up empty calorie points on the powerplay. If it’s pointshare, then idk. I’ve read up on it, but I’ve never see anyone else using it so I just assume the other analytical models are a lot better and Faulk looks like a replacement level player at 5v5 in all of them.
I do also subscribe to the “Francis might take Faulk theory,” but I can’t understand why he’d go for Faulk when you can likely get one of Blais, Barbashev, Sanford, or Mikkola.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2020 at 7:58 p.m.
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If they have to trade Schwartz
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Viqsi</b></div><div>I'm admittedly tempted by Schwartz - he's the kind of super-skill guy we could really use - but yeah, not for Tex.</div></div>
I guess if Columbus really wants him, the Blues would ask for their first instead. Ideally we’d want an NHL ready guy, but maybe two firsts and Anderson allows the Blues to move up to say... 9th overall. Idk I’m just spitballing. I’ll be really frustrated if the Faulk/Schenn deals cause Schwartz to walk or get traded.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2020 at 7:36 p.m.
Thread:
If they have to trade Schwartz
Everyone is way too quick to judge the Faulk move. He was much better toward the end of the regular season, greatly eliminating the D-zone errors that plagued him earlier in the year. It's also fair to think that some (not all) of his issues can be chalked up to learning a new system for the first time in his career and being bounced around between partners and sides every other game for his first few months. Also, The Athletic recently had an analytic-based article that showed he barely missed the top 10 zone exit/entrance D-men in the league - I know, shocked the hell out of me, too. I don't feel their formula for ranking is 100% right, but close enough. Just for the reason that he was never going to get much PP time, which obviously reduces his offensive value, the move is instantly questionable. We weren't set up for him to replicate his top Canes numbers. No doubt about that. Still, his shooting percentage and assist rate were both about half his career average. One could logically guess he will rebound up in these areas. On top of it all, he's spoken about playing poorly, so he's not avoiding the reality and sounds like he's eager to come correct. The skill is there and the motivation is there.
The Pronger trade looked like a horrible mistake at the beginning, too. I'm definitely not saying that Faulk will bounce back to a Pronger level, but he has the capability to come back with much better play. Or, hey, maybe even a proper good Cup run and '21 season that will convince Seattle to exp-draft him if we throw in a little sweetener. I certainly believe he won't play as bad as he did at the start of the season again. He actually is better than that, and I like his chances of proving it.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2020 at 7:51 p.m.
Thread:
If they have to trade Schwartz
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>Everyone is way too quick to judge the Faulk move. He was much better toward the end of the regular season, greatly eliminating the D-zone errors that plagued him earlier in the year. It's also fair to think that some (not all) of his issues can be chalked up to learning a new system for the first time in his career and being bounced around between partners and sides every other game for his first few months. Also, The Athletic recently had an analytic-based article that showed he barely missed the top 10 zone exit/entrance D-men in the league - I know, shocked the hell out of me, too. I don't feel their formula for ranking is 100% right, but close enough. Just for the reason that he was never going to get much PP time, which obviously reduces his offensive value, the move is instantly questionable. We weren't set up for him to replicate his top Canes numbers. No doubt about that. Still, his shooting percentage and assist rate were both about half his career average. One could logically guess he will rebound up in these areas. On top of it all, he's spoken about playing poorly, so he's not avoiding the reality and sounds like he's eager to come correct. The skill is there and the motivation is there.
The Pronger trade looked like a horrible mistake at the beginning, too. I'm definitely not saying that Faulk will bounce back to a Pronger level, but he has the capability to come back with much better play. Or, hey, maybe even a proper good Cup run and '21 season that will convince Seattle to exp-draft him if we throw in a little sweetener. I certainly believe he won't play as bad as he did at the start of the season again. He actually is better than that, and I like his chances of proving it.</div></div>
My issue is that he was never good in Carolina outside of the powerplay and that the Blues already had four as good or better powerplay options in house. He’s never even eclipsed 1 WAR in a single season in his entire career. I think he’s fine and all, but paying 6.5 million to him until he’s 35 was blasphemous from the start.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2020 at 7:25 p.m.
Thread:
If they have to trade Schwartz
Rangers take that all day. Gunnarson would cover up some of Trouba's offensive risks very well, and makes us better defensively, and would fill that hole until K'Andre is ready.
If the rangers go the route of looking for a cheaper option on a one-year, I think Gunny for a 7th is something they have to jump on
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2020 at 7:22 p.m.
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If they have to trade Schwartz
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ajp_18</b></div><div>Columbus declines that trade. We need a second line center and trading Texier who could be a second line center is a very very bad idea.
Also Columbus don’t want or need wings. If you’d be interested in moving Schenn then maybe, but we don’t really need a wing.</div></div>
Understandable, but I figured Foudy is the guy. I would honestly rather do this for Schenn, but he’s got a full NTC and hasn’t played a game on his new contract so he’s going nowhere.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2020 at 7:15 p.m.
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If they have to trade Schwartz
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeastModeUnknown</b></div><div>People are still arguing it was a good signing because he beefed up the special teams. I said b*tch I don’t give a f*ck if he “beefed” up our Special Teams we also got a new Special Teams coach that’s probably what really did it. He’s a third pairing with special teams minutes because Berube cringes at giving him more 5v5 time. Shut up. That’s my exact comment haha.</div></div>
He also doesn't even play on our special teams anymore. Got booted off PP2 when Parayko came back from injury. So, even if that's something that matters to people, it's not true.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2020 at 7:08 p.m.
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If they have to trade Schwartz
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sabres923</b></div><div>Who could of thought giving Justin Faulk a 6.5 for 7 years was a bad idea?</div></div>
People are still arguing it was a good signing because he beefed up the special teams. I said b*tch I don’t give a f*ck if he “beefed” up our Special Teams we also got a new Special Teams coach that’s probably what really did it. He’s a third pairing with special teams minutes because Berube cringes at giving him more 5v5 time. Shut up. That’s my exact comment haha.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2020 at 6:56 p.m.
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If they have to trade Schwartz
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sabres923</b></div><div>Who could of thought giving Justin Faulk a 6.5 for 7 years was a bad idea?</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ForsbergForVezina</b></div><div>I thought it was a bit pricey, but never imagined he’d be this bad before it even kicked in.</div></div>
I think once you look at the context of Faulk's prior success though it becomes less surprising.
I've seen so much "oh wait until he rediscovers his Hurricanes game" among Blues fans but people seem to forget that the Hurricanes freaking sucked for pretty much his entire career until the last year he was there. That's not Faulk's fault- the Hurricanes didn't have a goaltender and really didn't have any skilled forwards either- but it explains a lot about how he "generated" offense. Faulk takes a lot of shots, which seems like a good thing, but it's only a good thing if he's converting on a lot of those shots, which he doesn't. He's not an elite scorer- again, no biggie, most in the NHL aren't- but if he's not an elite scorer he shouldn't be taking that many shots especially as a defenseman, since most of the time those shots are coming way out from the net and have a little chance of going in anyway, and a high chance of stopping play or worse, turning over to the other team.
This was fine on Carolina, because, like, were any of his teammates all that much better of an option? Well, they are now, and I don't think it's a coincidence that he was expendable once the Canes got good. His play style isn't effective if you have skilled forwards to take shots closer to the net that have a better chance of going in- in fact, it's a drag. Well, the Blues have skilled forwards too, so it's not working here just like it wasn't working there. Couple that with his fine-at-best defensive play and you have a seven year contract for a player who is elite at nothing- never a good thing to have.
If he really wants to be on a contender but also be a part of the solution, he needs to play for someone like, idk, Dallas, who can't score goals to save their lives but have the defense thing locked down so if the other team gains possession it's not a big deal.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2020 at 6:45 p.m.
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If they have to trade Schwartz
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sabres923</b></div><div>Who could of thought giving Justin Faulk a 6.5 for 7 years was a bad idea?</div></div>
you should see the Blues Facebook Group that scrutinized me for calling it one of the dumbest trades, and signings the Blues have ever made, but we are talking about the people who said "we signed an All-Star" former at that and one who dropped off the earth. But it's also the facebook group that called the ROR deal bad because and I quote "we gave up 5 assets for 1 this was so bad Armstrong has to be canned after this one"
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2020 at 6:39 p.m.
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If they have to trade Schwartz
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan</b></div><div>$1.7M?</div></div>
Yeah, I mean you could probably sign a guy for half that and get similar results
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2020 at 6:27 p.m.
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If they have to trade Schwartz
Rangers accept. Think you are underselling Gunnar too.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2020 at 6:24 p.m.
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If they have to trade Schwartz
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sabres923</b></div><div>Who could of thought giving Justin Faulk a 6.5 for 7 years was a bad idea?</div></div>
I thought it was a bit pricey, but never imagined he’d be this bad before it even kicked in.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2020 at 6:22 p.m.
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If they have to trade Schwartz
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>STLBlues17</b></div><div>I’m definitely on the right side of history there lol</div></div>
I’m sure they will work something out, Bozak or steen will probably be moved teams that have cap space issues find their way out of it.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2020 at 6:20 p.m.
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If they have to trade Schwartz
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sabres923</b></div><div>Who could of thought giving Justin Faulk a 6.5 for 7 years was a bad idea?</div></div>
I’m definitely on the right side of history there lol
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2020 at 6:19 p.m.
Thread:
If they have to trade Schwartz
Who could of thought giving Justin Faulk a 6.5 for 7 years was a bad idea?
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 21, 2020 at 9:22 p.m.
Thread:
Expansion draft
Blues probably lose one of Sanford/Barbashev/Blais. Maybe Perron or potentially Faulk if they make a trade.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 21, 2020 at 10:20 p.m.
Thread:
Expansion draft
I reckon there’ll be a lot of moves this offseason with the flat cap and preparing for the expansion draft next summer. I hope Seattle can be successful right away, Vegas being in the Finals was so great for the league.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2020 at 11:44 a.m.
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LEFT D
Montreal simply couldn't afford the trade with STL and not only that but the blues wouldn't entertain the offer. 3 million is what the expectation for Dunn is ? if thats the case, then the Blues resign him at that price tag. At the end of the day, Montreal's best forward after everything is done is still Thomas Tatar
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