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Armchair-GM
Mar. 12 at 3:07 p.m.
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Top 5 Trelvings best and worst trades ever
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>drambui</b></div><div>thats the wrong granlund.</div></div>
Yea, I just noticed afterwards there are 2 Granlunds... I thought Trev traded away the signing rights to the good Granlund.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 12 at 3:05 p.m.
Thread:
Top 5 Trelvings best and worst trades ever
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>Hold on a minute... when you trade for a player and immediately extend him full bore, that's part of the trade conversation. Otherwise, you need to judge the trade on the return being two UFAs, a 1st that will be deferred four drafts by the time Calgary uses it and Schwindt. You can't have it both ways.</div></div>
Like I said every category gets different input from within the team management. Player contracts to not come down to an one on one with Trev and Huberdeau, those contracts had dozens of other people involved. Same goes for trades and drafting. Pridham in the Leafs organization gets more credit than Dubas during his time as a Leaf GM. Yet Dubas takes all the fame and blame yet it's the people behind the scenes who are the true heroes or scapegoats.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 12 at 2:48 p.m.
Thread:
Top 5 Trelvings best and worst trades ever
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ht42</b></div><div>They signed Kadri, and they traded Monahan two hours later. That's why.</div></div>
Kadri > Monahan
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 12 at 2:47 p.m.
Thread:
Top 5 Trelvings best and worst trades ever
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NucksnOilers</b></div><div>The Huby trade was a terrible trade from the start, he only made that move to buy himself time
He was forced to sign two guys to long-term deals who had both already peaked as a return for Tkachuck
The Lucic for Neal trade solved nothing for either team (not a win either)
Hamilton for those picks turned out to be fair value, those picks could have easily all been roster players and turned out bad for BT, he just got lucky that those picks were all busts
The Zadorov and SB deals were both good tho.
A lot of his "bad" trades aren't really his fault, you can't blame him that the other team made good selections with those picks either. That's out of his control entirely, the Elliot and Toffoli trades are hard to blame on him though the Hamonic one was downright disgusting from the start. The leafs picking him over Dubas may be the reason they don't win in the AM34 era</div></div>
Lucic trade was a win, at least he finished his contract, Neal was buyout and has been retired for 2 years now.
The Tkachuck situation was he was hell bent to get his UFA early and leave, so that trade was a big win, Trev's resigning of those 2 players only turned the trade into a loss, but trades, signings and Drafts are all 3 different categories with different inputs/factors to consider.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 12 at 2:41 p.m.
Thread:
Top 5 Trelvings best and worst trades ever
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>You could argue the the trade was best he could do under the circumstances. But Trevling had put Flames in such a poor cap situation...that was the issue.
Just by going by the Flames record under Trevling. And his terrible resigning of Huberdeau to eight years. Why do ever get another GM job? Of course the Leafs have had a habit of signing poor GMs this century.</div></div>
I guess I should do a Part 2 and look at Trev's best and worst signings.... Huberdeau makes the best trade list and worst signing lists...lol
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 12 at 2:39 p.m.
Thread:
Top 5 Trelvings best and worst trades ever
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ht42</b></div><div>The worst Trevling trade is giving a 1st round pick to give up on Monahan...........</div></div>
It was a bad but necessary forced trade, that's why I didn't include it in my list. Also we don't know if Mon will Draft a Nhl, Ahl or bust with the pick.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 12 at 11:51 a.m.
Thread:
finding a number 1 center
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>brady_t12</b></div><div>Zegras just isn't the answer to the caps top line center problem. Especially not for this package - this is an overpayment.</div></div>
Finally, since I put this up, all the Ducks fans are chirping this is a lowball offer and they need Leonard plus extras.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 11 at 8:52 p.m.
Thread:
They cant keep getting away with this They cant keep getting away with it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dan_the_Man</b></div><div>Everyone thought the earth was flat too but we know how that is public opinion doesn't equate to facts .</div></div>
Huh>?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dan_the_Man</b></div><div> By the way league doctors review LTIR but sure.</div></div>
It sure is a funny business, why should the hockey world be any different than the real world.
If I get hurt at work, I can go see a doctor and get him to signed me off from working for as long as I want and my employer can't say boo about it, hurrah for Unions.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 11 at 7:35 p.m.
Thread:
finding a number 1 center
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Boltsradynasty</b></div><div>How would we know TB doesn't do contract negotiations in the public.</div></div>
So he is signing in Vegas this summer.
Gotcha.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 11 at 7:05 p.m.
Thread:
finding a number 1 center
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JTBF81</b></div><div>Tampa doesn't need a C, and likely won't next deadline either. They could very well move the '26 1st(and may have already done so if Calgary had taken their offer for Hanifin), but I don’t see it for Dowd.</div></div>
How's the Stamkos talks going >?
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 11 at 7:02 p.m.
Thread:
finding a number 1 center
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>You think Zegras is a legit 1C?</div></div>
On a non playoff team yes.
Better than Strome.
Imagine Strome was picked ahead of Marner and Hanifin.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 11 at 6:09 p.m.
Thread:
finding a number 1 center
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>And Zegras is a proven NHL commodity, Leonard is a prospect, So....... There's more risk involved in Leonard, because he can dial to launch at the NHL level, and Zegras went to Boston University, not Boston College.
If you guys need a playmaking 1C so bad, OS mittlestadt from Colorado. Otherwise you need to buy Zegras off Anaheim and that's going to be supremely costly.</div></div>
Both Bos Co and Bos U are in the same league vs. the same teams in the NCAA, so no difference, that's like arguing NYI and NYR.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 11 at 5:11 p.m.
Thread:
finding a number 1 center
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>No credible reports say that.
If Zegras isn't a franchise player, why are you acquiring him to be your #1 center?</div></div>
Because there is a difference between 1st line player and franchise player.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 11 at 5:06 p.m.
Thread:
finding a number 1 center
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Letsgosharks</b></div><div>do not move Leonard hahaha</div></div>
Leonard's 1st year for Boston college has been better than Zegras 1st year for Boston college.
Leonard's final year of US U18 has also been better than Zegras final year of US U18.
So...
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 11 at 5:02 p.m.
Thread:
finding a number 1 center
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>"You weren't actively shopping him, but were teams calling on (Trevor Zegras) near the deadline?
No, they were not. Zegras is hurt. It's a situation there that everybody is speculating on that. We want Z to play with us. Hopefully, he can get through this injury pretty quickly and get him back on the ice."
-Verbeek interview with Jason Parkhurst of USA Today sports.
He wasn't shopped, Verbeek is not interested in moving him, and there is not one, but two comps of a player with Zegras's pedigree (although lesser in both cases) went for a quality piece in a hockey trade.
Only quality piece WSH has is Leonard as the base of the trade, WSH would of course be adding to that.</div></div>
Reports say Zegras will get shopped in the off season.
Zegras isn't a franchise player like you think he is.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 11 at 5:00 p.m.
Thread:
finding a number 1 center
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Letsgosharks</b></div><div>If I am Washington, I defy do not want to move that 2025 first, especially since its a deeper draft, and with how things could go, this could be a top 10 maybe even top 5 pick, you don't know,</div></div>
Probably best for me to remove the Wright and Dowd trades.
As much as Duck fans think Zegras for Leonard is the starting point, Wash says no and Ducks may still listen about the Caps other players, they are doing alright for young talent for trade bait.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 11 at 4:54 p.m.
Thread:
finding a number 1 center
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JTBF81</b></div><div>Tampa declines. They reportedly looked into Dowd and thought the price was much too high(as did apparently any other team that inquired on him).</div></div>
Well Dowd is injured so this deadline was a bust to move him and next year his value will probably be lower but than again Monahan got traded for a 1st Rd pick, so you never know.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 11 at 4:52 p.m.
Thread:
finding a number 1 center
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>If you want Zegras, the offer starts with Leonard, or Verbeek doesn't bother hearing the end of it.</div></div>
You'd be crying in your beer when or if Zegras gets traded and it's for less than your expectations.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 11 at 12:30 a.m.
Thread:
They cant keep getting away with this They cant keep getting away with it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dan_the_Man</b></div><div>Don't hold your breathe. Exactly what happened in 25 will happen again 1 or 2 GMs will complain and then nothing.
Just got one question. Where did you get your medical degree? Sorry follow up and have you examined any of these patients?</div></div>
Injured and unfit to play for game 82, 3 days later healthy and cleared to play game 1 of the playoffs.
Where did these team doctors get their degree....or wait I answered my own question, TEAM doctors.
Everyone has admitted these LTIR are funny business.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 10 at 11:22 p.m.
Thread:
Kotkaniemi Wants to Stay a Cane
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>I wonder the two RFAs a few summers ago, Aho and Marner got such different contracts. In their two previous seasons, they had identical stats. Aho signed 8.5m X 5 years, but somehow the Leafs figured they had to give Marner a hometown premium. 11m X 6 years.</div></div>
Well... you see Aho still isn't even a point per game player in his career totals, meanwhile as it stands right now, Marner has 60+ points over a point per game average in his career.
Aho is a star Center but Marner is a Superstar winger.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 10 at 9:04 p.m.
Thread:
Kotkaniemi Wants to Stay a Cane
Ever time I see the Canes roster I wonder "how the hell did they talk Aho into only accepting a $1.3 million raise".
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 10 at 8:39 p.m.
Thread:
Toffoli play in every Canadian city before he retires
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Can there be any worse signings than signing Tanev and Edmundson for five years
Such nonsense t a rising cap helps that much as other players want raises.
Talbot signs for the Kings a that price.
Holmberg gets picked up waivers? No way Minten is NHL ready in October. No McCann?</div></div>
Trev has a history of bad contracts.
Player agents look at other comparable contract signings from previous years and take the cap hit % not the $ amount. Fact of life.
Kings were the team reported in wanting Ullmark.
The fear of losing players on waivers cost the Leafs a 5th and 6th Rd picks because they wanted teams to retain salary rather than sending Jones, Holmberg or McMann on waivers.
McMann is an UFA and will probably find another team.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 10 at 6:56 p.m.
Thread:
Toffoli play in every Canadian city before he retires
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Gudas wasnt that old though and ANA decided to give him to much as they had nothing better to do
No contender will give Tanev 6m as hes 34 and injury prone</div></div>
With the salary cap climbing upwards, contracts will get a bump because managers and agents go by salary cap hit %.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 10 at 6:48 p.m.
Thread:
Toffoli play in every Canadian city before he retires
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Neither will get a raise will probs stay the same cap or less. You dont pay 34 year olds more. Now if they somehow do get raises will be at more 100-300k
Often its less unless they superstars
Look at EJ he went from 6m to 3.25m
Tanev will probs be 3.5m x 2 year and Edmunson the same as he signed with MTL</div></div>
Gudas got a raise from his previous contract as an UFA at the age of 32 yrs old, remember the Leafs lost on that bidding war.
That is where I got the $4 million AAV for Edmundson.
I gave Tanev $6 million AAV just like Lou gave his two 29 year old Dmen.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 10 at 6:40 p.m.
Thread:
Toffoli play in every Canadian city before he retires
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Yea Tanev aint getting that nor Edmundson</div></div>
Both players will get a raise, that is the poison teams pick when they using UFA to upgrade their roster.
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