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Forum: NHL SigningsApr. 2 at 5:52 p.m.
Forum: NHL SigningsApr. 2 at 5:12 p.m.
Thread: Toronto Maple Leafs signed Jacob Quillan (2 Years / $875,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Sure they can what makes him so good that he can immediately take a spot in the NHL
Like most guys like him its go to the NHL learn and see how their game translates to the next level
He's an RFA after his deal so sure he can complain but does Brad have to give in no. Its up to him to earn a spot
If kid comes in with an entitled mindset reality gonna catch up quick with him</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>I don't think you really get it.
This isn't a 20 year old coming for the CHL. He'll be 23 next year.
You aren't going to develop a player that age for 2 years in the AHL or what have you.
It's more likely they bust on, or flame out.
Look at Donato. He signed at 21, got thrown in that year and was given like 1/2 a year the next year before BOS moved on.
Another example would be Kerfoot signed at 23 played that year for COL.
Or Aston Reese, signed 23 1/2 year in the AHL and up to the NHL.
This is the typical track.

This is just how things go for UFA NCCA guys. They want their playing time and that plays a part in where they will sign.
On top of it, teams are less interested in investing to develop guys who are already going to be 23 that they didn't draft.
They got limited space and are more willing to give it to 20 year olds who they did draft.
Because at 23 the expectation is a player should have jumped by now. They simply don't have 2 years or leeway.
So as much as you think they can send the kid down to the AHL and let him develop that's probably not how this is going to work for either of them.

At 23 you either do or do not have the skill set. Sitting in the AHL for another year isn't going to change that. By 23 you should have already worked on your skating and your strengthening.
The two things that hold younger players back. It's not about entitled mindset, it's about reality of the kids ability.
They are either going to play him, or they are not. If they don't it's best for both to move on. Because they probably aren't going to if they didn't.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Again that means jack all
These guys have 0 leverage
Like every other player they have to earn it
Going from NCAA to AHL at 22 vs. CHL, OHL, etc at 20 means nothing
Everyone has to earn a spot no matter the age or draft rank (except if your 1OA pick) thats how it works
As said before If kid comes in with an entitled mindset reality gonna catch up quick with him
We have seen it time and time again with some of these guys. You want it got to earn it</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>this is where you are wrong.
A. the player does have leverage. They get to choose where they sign and they take their best path to the NHL level. Which is why players sign where they will get playing time.
B. you fail to understand. Teams aren't making long term investments into the development of guys who are already 23. I have given you 3 recent examples of player who made the jump. It's a typical story. Name one player came into the AHL from the NCAA in year 23 and developed 1-2 years before making the jump?

It's not just about the player. It's the team as well. There are huge differences coming in from CHL as opposed to NCAA. There are expectations both the player and the team have.
You seem to want to put it on the player. That's just arrogant on your part.
If you put 4 draft picks every year on your AHL team, you got 16 guys, you add in the few mandatory vets to help them grow and become a pro, and your AHL team is filled out.
They aren't planning to develop NCAA guys for more than a year. Most likely they are making the jump 1st year or they aren't.</div></div>

<strong>"Name one player who came into the AHL from the NCAA in year 23 and developed 1-2 years before making the jump?"</strong> - <em>LuckyMoneyPuck</em>

Look no further than Bobby McMann.

A UFA who came into the AHL from the NCAA at 24 and developed for 2 years before making the jump.

Now he's got a new contract and a nice career on the Leafs.

<strong>Aadoyle is 100% correct.</strong>
Forum: NHL SigningsMar. 13 at 5:56 p.m.
Thread: Toronto Maple Leafs signed Bobby McMann (2 Years / $1,350,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tkecanuck341</b></div><div>For a team that's as cash strapped as the Leafs, I'm not sure it's such a good idea to give bottom six players seven-figure contracts, especially after only a single season. If he can't reproduce his success next season, then he eats $200k of valuable cap space while playing in the AHL.</div></div>

<strong>It honestly feels like great risk management to me:</strong>

- He has 11 points (8 goals) in his last 14 games (all at even strength).
- These 14 games are the first time his ATOI has been above 10 mins.
- He's a 6'2 / 220 aggressive forechecker with a solid defensive game.
- He's also a pending UFA despite rookie status (GM had no leverage).

<strong>Now he's locked up for 3 years (27-29) at $1,350,000.</strong>

Downside = $200,000 wasted (if he's in the minors).
Upside = $2,000,000 saved (if he's a great 3rd liner).
Both outcomes are possible (equally likely I'd think).

<strong>But the upside is 10X more valuable than the risk.</strong>

He's Toronto's Dakota Joshua.
Can Van extend him for less?
Can Van afford to keep him?
Forum: NHL TradesMar. 8 at 5:19 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 12 at 6:26 p.m.
Thread: Next year with Marner and Gibson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>Get out of here</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>kous</b></div><div>If the Leaf's for some reason decided to move on from Marner and he waived his no trade clause they would be doing it for the cap space so there would be 0% chance they would retain salary</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Herb_Brooks</b></div><div>no retention and buffalos pick this year for the leafs to consider</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CoryTheGreat</b></div><div>Leafs aren’t doing that even without retention lol not even close like at all</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AntiAnalytics</b></div><div>It’s only for 1 year though
If it gets the Leafs a better return for Marner- and it definitely should- then they should do it

However, the last thing the Leafs should do is trade Marner</div></div>

<strong>SERIOUS QUESTION FOR OP - DO YOU THINK THIS IS FAIR FOR BUFFALO?</strong>

Toronto Receives:

<strong>Tage Thompson</strong> ($1,400,000 retained) *** Same $9,300,000 retention as Marner, but spread out over 7 years.
<strong>2026 3rd round pick (BUF)</strong>
<strong>2024 7th round pick (BUF)</strong>

Buffalo Receives:

<strong>Nick Robertson</strong> *** Near identical PPG and GPG as Quinn over last 2 seasons. Both are 22 year old wingers.
<strong>Fraser Minten</strong> *** Drafted 1 spot earlier than Wahlberg in 2022. Both play center. Canada's captain at WJC.
<strong>2026 1st round pick (TOR)</strong>

*** M. Marner = <strong>1.30</strong> points per game over last 3 seasons.
*** Thompson = <strong>1.00</strong> points per game over last 3 seasons.
*** Thompson and Marner are both both 26 years old.
*** Thompson's bigger, but Marner's a Selke finalist.

<strong>Are you trading Thompson for that?</strong>
Forum: NHL SigningsNov. 19, 2023 at 7:56 p.m.
Thread: Montreal Canadiens signed Cole Caufield (8 Years / $7,850,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Andy_Dick</b></div><div>Habs haters down bad. The only 1st liner on the Habs strikes again lmao</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>This. He also has the same amount of points than Matthews has goals while being an issue defensively.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>He has just 2 goals where the opposing team has more than 3 players on the ice</div></div>

Hey <strong>Andy Dick</strong>:

Caufield has <strong>ZERO</strong> 5 on 5 goals in 18 games this season.
Caufield has <strong>FOUR</strong> 5 on 5 points in 18 games this season.
Caufield has <strong>69.5%</strong> OZ starts this year (he's still a DZ liability).

Maybe your spree of attacks was a bit premature?
Or does Caufield still look like a steal at 8 million?