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drewjenkins

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Forum: NHL TradesNov. 18 at 7:57 p.m.
Thread: (STL/TOR) - Clifford for future considerations
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KSIxSKULLS</b></div><div>I literally thought you were trolling at first but you actually think that's how WAR% works?

Zegras 3rd line 80%
Chris Tanev 2nd line (defender) 98%
Tanner Jeannot 4th line 92%
Patrick Kane 1st line

On the contrary

Alex Goligoski 1st line 36%
Patrick Kane 20-22 1st line 11%

I'm in mobile so I can't even change the player on Patreon. Please actually say something true next time.

The audacity of some people who think they know something when in reality they know jack ****</div></div>

LOL nothing you're saying is disproving me at all.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying.

Lines are irrelevant ... everyone is compared.

Some guys have just played great / terrible in their first few games.
Forum: NHL TradesNov. 18 at 6:06 p.m.
Thread: (STL/TOR) - Clifford for future considerations
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>drewjenkins</b></div><div><strong>KSIxSKULLS is not correct. </strong>

The 28% does mean he's better than 28% of the league (WAR compares him to the entire NHL) ... So he's an above average 4th liner.

However, the numbers below that do compare him to other 4th liners ... That's why he's at:

- 83% for even-strength defense.
- 53% for even-strength offense.

<strong>You can't be better than the average 4th line at offense + defense and still one of the worst 4th liners.</strong></div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Saskleaf</b></div><div>I agree.</div></div>

<strong>Thanks boss. </strong>


<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KSIxSKULLS</b></div><div>There's multiple guys with 100% WAR. It's not possible by your logic. What I said is the correct version dumbed down.</div></div>

<strong>What I said has nothing to do with someone having a 100% WAR rating.</strong>

But just for fun ... Lets pretend there are 800 NHL players to compare for WAR ratings.

Eight of them would be in the 99th percentile (and 4 would be in the top half of 99%).

Since WAR doesn't use decimals ... Four players will get rounded up to 100%.

<strong>Would you mind explaining how anything I said makes this impossible?</strong>

<em>And then we'll test your logic. Show me some 4th liners with a 90%+ WAR rating?</em>

<em>There must be a few on the Habs right? Don't they have like 16 fourth liners?</em>
Forum: NHL TradesNov. 18 at 1:58 p.m.
Thread: (STL/TOR) - Clifford for future considerations
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Saskleaf</b></div><div>Correct me if I'm wrong, but does 28% mean he's "better" than 28% of the league? What's wrong with that?</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KSIxSKULLS</b></div><div>It's hard to explain (I'm just not good at explaining it), but essentially if you see a guy at 50% it means he's about bang average at the TOI he's given. So anything above 50% he's complacent at, and anything below he's bad for that TOI. Because his QOC% is 0% it literally means he plays against the worst players in the league and he still puts up those stats (which besides defense are bad). It's not a good look for that QOC &amp; his TOI

To sum it up, he plays 4th line minutes against the worst players in the league and still puts up bad stats. IE he's not an NHL player.

Maybe someone can sum it up better for you, but that's what I got.</div></div>

<strong>KSIxSKULLS is not correct. </strong>

The 28% does mean he's better than 28% of the league (WAR compares him to the entire NHL) ... So he's an above average 4th liner.

However, the numbers below that do compare him to other 4th liners ... That's why he's at:

- 83% for even-strength defense.
- 53% for even-strength offense.

<strong>You can't be better than the average 4th line at offense + defense and still one of the worst 4th liners.</strong>
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 20 at 9:11 p.m.
Thread: After Lou is fired
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Zuki9797</b></div><div>cant get suzuki for that, he's worth more in the canadiens' eyes</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AustonMatthews3443</b></div><div>I know you you said maybe not these guys, but Suzuki is untouchable.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Chevy074</b></div><div>No way on EARTH your getting Suzuki for that.

It’s like asking Barzal for Hoffman, Chiarot and a 1st 😂</div></div>

Ya'll need to go check Suzuki's stats ... he isn't a superstar ... he's just the best Montreal has.

He's also struggling hard without Danault taking all the tough match ups (0 points in 4 games).

He's also the same age as Heiskanen + Makar + Pettersson and only one year older than Matthews.

Superstars are usually superstars by their draft + 5 season ... he should be a solid 2nd line center though.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 20 at 8:45 p.m.
Thread: Eichel to Anaheim
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Radu47</b></div><div>Why add so much along with Drysdale <strong>I mean he was the 6th pick in one of the best drafts ever</strong>.</div></div>

You're about 10 years early with that comment .... Has one player from the draft even made an all star game?

And since we're talking about Eichel anyways, how about his draft:

<strong>Connor McDavid
Jackie Eichel
Mitchell Marner
Mikko Rantanen
Mathew Barzal
Sebastian Aho
Kirill Kaprizov
Kyle Connor
Tom Chabot
Brock Boeser
Ivan Provorov
Zach Werenski
Travis Konecny
Timo Meier
Roope Hintz</strong>
Jack Roslovic
Noah Hanifin
Joel Eriksson Ek
Brandon Carlo
Erik Cernak
Conor Garland
Jordan Greenway
Rassy Andersson
Anthony Cirelli
Aidan Hill
John Marino
Andy Mangiapane
Mason Appleton
Markus Nutivaara
Matthew Roy
Lawson Crouse
Jake DeBrusk
Colin White
Ilya Samsonov
Travis Dermott
Kenzi Blackwood
Oliver Kylington
Forum: NHL SigningsOct. 15 at 7:31 p.m.
Forum: NHL SigningsOct. 12 at 3:36 p.m.
Thread: Montreal Canadiens signed Nick Suzuki (8 Years / $7,875,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>cameron_hockey9</b></div><div>With all due respect you are talking about the season.... we dont care about that here. Playoffs only!</div></div>

<strong>Again, please do a quick fact check before commenting:</strong>

<strong>Toronto</strong> had a <strong>2.00</strong> goals against average in the playoffs.
<strong>Montreal</strong> had a <strong>2.45</strong> goals against average in the playoffs.

Regarding the Montreal vs Toronto series specifically:

<strong>Toronto</strong> had a <strong>2.00</strong> goals against average in the series.
<strong>Montreal</strong> had a <strong>2.57</strong> goals against average in the series.

It's possible to win a series while being outscored by the opponent.

<strong>Montreal did just that. Congrats on winning.</strong>
Forum: NHL SigningsOct. 12 at 1:58 p.m.
Thread: Montreal Canadiens signed Nick Suzuki (8 Years / $7,875,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dc64</b></div><div>Leaf fans voting No because good contracts are $10+mill a year only.</div></div>


<strong>Points per game in D+3 and D+4 seasons combined (Suzuki's full NHL career):</strong>


<strong>1.11</strong> points per game = <strong>91</strong> points per 82 games / <strong>50</strong> goals per 82 games = <strong>Auston Matthews</strong>
<strong>1.00</strong> points per game = <strong>82</strong> points per 82 games / <strong>24</strong> goals per 82 games = <strong>Mitchell Marner</strong>
<strong>0.75</strong> points per game = <strong>62</strong> points per 82 games / <strong>21</strong> goals per 82 games = <strong>Willy Nylander</strong>
<strong>0.64</strong> points per game = <strong>52</strong> points per 82 games / <strong>18</strong> goals per 82 games = <strong>Nicky Suzuki</strong>


That's probably the most unbiased statistical comparison you will find in this comments section.

The two guys making $10 million were 30 + 39 points per season ahead of Suzuki at his age.

And they've both improved to a 100+ point pace since then (doubling Suzuki's production).

<strong>Now lets focus on the Habs since Suzuki is their #1 center (not Toronto's #3 center).</strong>
Forum: NHL SigningsOct. 12 at 1:23 p.m.
Thread: Montreal Canadiens signed Nick Suzuki (8 Years / $7,875,000 AAV)
<strong>The people praising this deal are honestly blowing my mind.</strong>


D+1 = Junior
D+2 = Junior
D+3 = <strong>13</strong> goals / <strong>41</strong> points (Full season pace = <strong>15</strong> goals / <strong>47</strong> points)
D+4 = <strong>15</strong> goals / <strong>41</strong> points (Full season pace = <strong>22</strong> goals / <strong>59</strong> points)
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NHL = <strong>28</strong> goals / <strong>82</strong> points (Full season pace = <strong>18</strong> goals / <strong>52</strong> points)


He definitely has potential ... and this contract has the potential to look good in a few years.

But Suzuki's short resume doesn't warrant anything near $8 million dollars or an 8 year term.

<strong>Clayton Keller was younger, had better stats, signed for less, and his deal still aged terribly. </strong>
Forum: NHL SigningsOct. 10 at 9:27 a.m.
Thread: New Jersey Devils signed Frédérik Gauthier (1 Year / $800,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Janasazi</b></div><div>Good price for a mediocre player. I can’t believe that this guy was a first round pick.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>draft_em_sign_em_trade_em</b></div><div>yes, in the Draft year which also saw; Morin, Lazar, Mueller, Rychel, Poirier, Shinkaruk, McCarron, Dano and Klimchuck all get Drafted in the 1st Rd.

Goat actually sits in the top half of his Draft class in NHL talent.</div></div>


<strong> TOP 32 PICKS (2013 DRAFT)</strong>

<strong> 03</strong> Players = All-Stars
<strong> 10</strong> Players = Good
<strong> 08</strong> Players = Depth
<strong> 11</strong> Players = Minors

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01. Nate MacKinnon <strong>(All-Star)</strong>
02. Aleks Barkov <strong>(All-Star)</strong>
03. Jonny Drouin <strong>(Depth)</strong>
04. Sethy Jones <strong>(All-Star)</strong>
05. Elias Lindholm <strong>(Good)</strong>
06. Sean Monahan <strong>(Good)</strong>
07. Darnell Nurse <strong>(Good)</strong>
08. Rass Ristolainen <strong>(Good)</strong>
09. Bobo Horvat <strong>(Good)</strong>
10. Val Nichushkin <strong>(Depth)</strong>
11. Samuel Morin <strong>(Minors)</strong>
12. Maximus Domi <strong>(Depth)</strong>
13. Josh Morrissey <strong>(Good)</strong>
14. Alex Wennberg <strong>(Depth)</strong>
15. Ryan Pulock <strong>(Good)</strong>
16. Nikita Zadorov <strong>(Depth)</strong>
17. Curtis Lazar <strong>(Minors)</strong>
18. Mirco Mueller <strong>(Minors)</strong>
19. Kerby Rychel <strong>(Minors)</strong>
20. Anthony Mantha <strong>(Good)</strong>
21. Freddy Gauthier <strong>(Depth)</strong>
22. Emile Poirier <strong>(Minors)</strong>
23. Andre Burkovsky <strong>(Good)</strong>
24. Hunt Shinkaruk <strong>(Minors)</strong>
25. Mike McCarron <strong>(Minors)</strong>
26. Shea Theodore <strong>(Good)</strong>
27. Marko Dano <strong>(Minors)</strong>
28. Morgs Klimchuk <strong>(Minors)</strong>
29. Jason Dickinson <strong>(Depth)</strong>
30. Ryan Hartman <strong>(Depth)</strong>
31. Ian McCoshen <strong>(Minors)</strong>
32. Chris Bigras <strong>(Minors)</strong>
Forum: NHL SigningsOct. 8 at 11:47 a.m.
Thread: Florida Panthers signed Aleksander Barkov (8 Years / $10,000,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MrDinkiee</b></div><div>Mitch Me-rner and John Pajamas making $11M</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>A_Habs_fan</b></div><div>Toronto has higher taxes than Florida so they might be making around the same amount after taxes.</div></div>


<strong>Barkov's</strong> average annual net income will be roughly <strong>$6,336,000</strong> after taxes. (tax rate = <strong>36.64%</strong>)

<strong>Marner's</strong> average annual net income is currently <strong>$5,105,000</strong> after taxes. (tax rate = <strong>53.18%</strong>)


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An <strong>$8,000,000</strong> cap-hit in Florida would give you about the same net-income as Mitch Marner.

Marner has a lower net-income than <strong>Kucherov + Stamkos + Point + Vasilevskiy + Barkov + Bobrovsky.</strong>

His after tax salary is closer to <strong>Hedman + Ekblad</strong> than anyone above (and his cap-hit is $3,000,000+ higher than theirs).


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<strong>More info is available here:</strong>

<em>https://gavingroup.ca/nhl-tax-calculator/</em>