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Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 4 at 7:13 a.m.
Thread:
My take
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>FoxYou727</b></div><div>Yea makes sense, Tkachuk is one of the most complete hockey players imo. If I was Ottawa I'd want
Lindgren
Laf
Othmann/Perreault
1st
(Using Matthew trade as a comparable)</div></div>
yeah to me, it’s super cut and dry. it would have to include laf and schneider for the Sens
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 3 at 10:05 p.m.
Thread:
Not Tom Brady
Meier was about to hit UFA
this is the thing y’all gotta realize, there isn’t a recent trade comparable for brady tkachuk!!! nobody has traded the cornerstone of their franchise and rebuild, without any injury concerns, mega star winger, with several contract years left, at good AAV, without any major fallout with the team, and no NMC, in recent history.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 3 at 10:02 p.m.
Thread:
Waddell wins over Columbus
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Viqsi</b></div><div>Okay, let's analyze this, and why it's a strong indicator of bad-faith reasoning. Why would Jiricek be a prerequisite?
Well, there's the obvious - he's a high-quality RD prospect. It could be that Ottawa also needs high-quality RD. In such a case, the #4OA is quite likely to provide exactly that, depending on who you pick - a high quality RD prospect. Jiricek isn't "better" because he's ready now or something - the guy needs more development time. He will not be fixing problems "now". So you're getting largely the same thing, if that specifically is your goal. Our preference for keeping Jirieck instead of just taking the #4OA ourselves would be mostly because he's already familiar with the organization and the systems here and so that's a bit of a head start - one which he would not have in Ottawa, because Ottawa is not Columbus, so the value proposition isn't there.
Most of the time, however, when someone demands a high-end prospect like that and declares it non-negotiable, it isn't because said prospect fits a need for their team - it's strictly punitive towards the requesting team for daring to ask about Their Beloved Guy. Since you are actively turning down an asset that is equivalent or even potentially <strong>better</strong> in terms of fitting the ostensible need that Jiricek would fit, I am obliged to conclude one of two things.
Either:
1) You have a severe misperception as to how NHL-ready Jiricek presently is and haven't bothered to reseearch further, or
2) You're just being punitive and petty, and doubling down less out of Ottawa's interest and more out of pure vindictive spite.
Which is it?</div></div>
damn you really care about this lmao
anyways it’s not very complicated
Levshunov won’t be there at 4 and I think that Jiricek is both a better prospect and a better fit than taking Parekh at 4, which is obviously what you’re just suggesting.
you’re making things very complicated, did I accidentally hurt your feelings? I apologize if I did, I didn’t mean to :)
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 3 at 8:59 p.m.
Thread:
Let KD cook
doesn’t get close to tkachuk
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 3 at 8:46 p.m.
Thread:
Just for fun Relax
that’s certainly within reason for the Sens
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 3 at 8:45 p.m.
Thread:
Waddell wins over Columbus
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Viqsi</b></div><div>Here is my post, with the relevant part that you are continuing to overlook highlighted.</div></div>
oh I have read that part. it just doesn’t matter! no Jiricek, no Tkachuk. no amount of saying “you can have other stuff though!” changes that
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 3 at 7:51 p.m.
Thread:
Waddell wins over Columbus
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Viqsi</b></div><div>Please, going forward, read the <strong>whole</strong> post, not just the first part you disagree with.</div></div>
which part of the post do you suggest I didn’t read? you said “we’re not giving up Jiricek” and I said “then you’re not getting Brady”
seems straightforward to me
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 3 at 4:17 p.m.
Thread:
Cup Aspirations
y’all are getting worse than devils fans
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 3 at 3:47 p.m.
Thread:
Balance this trade - 7 to Minnesota
I think Minnesota would have to give up more than they’re willing. Gus is far from a proven, true #1. you’d have to start talking about some legit value to move from 13 to 7
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 3 at 3:16 p.m.
Thread:
Rangers realistic off season
yeah I mean, Sens might as well take that shot
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 3 at 3:15 p.m.
Thread:
Load Up
this is obviously very bad, but I think the funniest part is asking for retention on top of it all
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 3 at 1:44 p.m.
Thread:
Retool
Sens counter with Korpisalo for Shesterkin
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 3 at 1:42 p.m.
Thread:
Offseason
knight hasn’t shown this season that he’s worth the 1st, let alone shane pinto
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 3 at 9:13 a.m.
Thread:
Waddell wins over Columbus
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Viqsi</b></div><div>Jiricek wouldn't be available; we can't afford to lose him. #4 overall would be, tho.</div></div>
you don’t get a star player not made available for trade without being willing to cough up the same on your own end.
same thing with every team trying to trade for Tkachuk. no Jiricek, no Nemec, no Byfield, no Lafreniere, no Tkachuk
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
Jun. 3 at 9:02 a.m.
Thread:
rsepp
I don’t think the gap between Miller and Chychrun is nearly as big as the gap between Laf and Tkachuk
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 3 at 9:01 a.m.
Thread:
Boosting the Lineup
Sens can retain on one of those players, not both
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 3 at 9:00 a.m.
Thread:
Waddell wins over Columbus
a brady trade to columbus would have to start with jiricek
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 2 at 11:42 p.m.
Thread:
Trade values
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Socal_King</b></div><div>No I'd move Byfield and Clarke for certain people so I know they are on the table. It would be hard to move them buy I could find deals. The process here is to find players to play with them. But it seems like there is zero things that can make pull open their minds. Like Ottawa would ask for anything from LA even Kempe+Spence +Danault+10x 1st round picks. Like it's ridiculous that people couldn't come up with anything other than well if Byfield and Clarke aren't available than Tkachuk is not moving. Like there has to be something. I've watched an NFL team trade their whole draft for 1 player. I've seen Gretzky moved but not Brady ****ing Tkachuk.</div></div>
thing is, if the Sens were to trade Tkachuk, they really need to be able to sell how it could potentially be for the better if the team in the very short term. only way that works is trading top talent for top talent. Weber for Subban type stuff.
when I say that the Kings don’t have the assets outside of Byfield and Clarke, it’s more along the lines of there not being much of a trade that’s reasonable for both sides if it doesn’t include those two players. as you say, yeah, sure. Fiala and Danault and Kempe and LA’s 1sts for the next 5 years would get Brady Tkachuk. but LA can’t do that, it’s ridiculous.
teams can’t tear down the rest of their team just to trade for brady tkachuk, and the sens can’t accept anything less than incredibly high value and quality. only way those two things match up is if a brady trade is for these types of guys. Byfield, Nemec, Laf, etc
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 2 at 11:35 p.m.
Thread:
Idk whats realistic for Marner anymore
Marner’s such a weird situation. he’s gonna return less than a player of his calibre should, for sure. he’s being hard scapegoated, some of it deserved, some of it not. he’s a very talented player who will probably be worth his next contract, but not a lot of teams are gonna necessarily be super eager to hand out that 11M+ deal, even if he deserves it. the real killer is his full NMC, of course. it tanks value pretty hard. my first thought it like, maybe around the Meier return? a 1st, and conditional 2nd that could be a 1st, a B+ prospect and a decent young roster player in that case?
to make it easy to think of for the Leafs, the return they could probably expect imo would be another team’s equivalent of like, a 1st + Minten +… maybe like, Robertson or Liljegren?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 2 at 11:27 p.m.
Thread:
Trade values
for Tkachuk, you really answered your question in the description when you talked about teams wanting byfield, but him not being for sale. think about how teams would have to give up A LOT to pry him away, because he’s not for sale in the first place. same deal with Ottawa. if byfield is off the table, I don’t think LA has the assets to get Tkachuk. only way to get a player whose team doesn’t want to give him up is by offering somebody you don’t want to give up either
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 2 at 10:23 p.m.
Thread:
Brady TkaDuck
fun name! anyways if Anaheim wanted to make a serious play for Brady, it’d take McTavish
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 2 at 10:22 p.m.
Thread:
new Leafs captain
no thanks!
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 2 at 9:38 p.m.
Thread:
Brady
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tjm220</b></div><div>I think we’ve seen some surprise trades that qualify. Seth Jones for Ryan Johansen comes to mind. I would also say that Joe Thornton being traded to San Jose probably qualifies. That’s probably the best comparison to this instance because that came out of absolutely nowhere. I think the difference is I don’t remember hearing anyone saying that Joe Thorton was going to be traded, whereas there have been plenty of Brady rumors for months now.</div></div>
entirely fabricated rumours, but yes
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 2 at 8:59 p.m.
Thread:
Holy Brady trades all over the place lol
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Goose1227</b></div><div>I don’t know wtf just happened but was messaging back and screen completely went blank. Not sure if it was accidentally sent or what. Either way, think of the one player on that team that would never get traded…well that’s the player that goes in a BT trade. Plus other assets.</div></div>
exactly lmao. it's a funny thing that happens where if a player's name is in (completely fabricated) trade rumours for long enough, people just choose to pretend their trade value gets lower and lower. like imagine if somebody just went to idk, tom fitzgerald and said "we want jack hughes. we'll give you a top 10 protected 1st and a middle 6 winger prospect for him"
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 2 at 8:53 p.m.
Thread:
Brady
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tjm220</b></div><div>You’re already getting four first round assets in return for Brady, which is more than the Sabres got for a better player in Jack Eichel. If you think that’s gonna be the return prepared to be exceptionally disappointed by whatever happens. Personally, I think it’s more likely that he doesn’t get traded anytime soon. But in two or three years his value could be lower and he may want out, and you’ll be even more disappointed then.</div></div>
eichel was a very different case than brady is right now, and I'm sure you know that. a buffalo/eichel divorce was inevitable and that was known for a very long time. he obviously had the very serious injury issues that required surgery with a non-zero amount of risk. it's not at all the same deal as a completely healthy player where he and the team have expressed no interest in parting ways with each other. the thing you're certainly right about though is that if they trade him in 3 years, then the return they get will be less than what they could get for him if they traded for him now. because yknow, that's how trade value and contracts work. and that's all part of what makes brady have such a high trade value!
like seriously, when is the last time we saw a player traded in a situation where there's nothing significant dragging down their value? no injury concerns, several years left on a very good contract, no issues with a NMC, no major fallout with the team, no trade being demanded.
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