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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LoganOllivier</b></div><div>I don't think a team is cap trouble when they don't have any bad contracts. Matthews, Tavares, Nylander and Marner will all earn their money, because they are indeed star players. In TO's case, bridge deals would have been terrible. In 2 years, Adnersen needs a contract, in 3 years Rielly needs a contract. If TO would have given their guys short deals like most of the other RFA's got, would have made for massive issues later on. Plus what kind of long term money would have been thrown around if they had the money to throw around? Who is even available? When you judge Dubas's work form the perspective of comparing his deals to mainly Point's contract, its both short sighted and an incorrect way to look at it. So many GM's in this league operate for this season and that's all they really seem to care about. How do I make this season a success? That is where guys make all the wrong decisions. Overpay this FA because we need a 2nd Pair LHD and when that doesn't work. Dubas hasn't done that, he has the 4th youngest team in the NHL and zero bad contracts. His tenure is still in its infancy and should be looked at from both a short term and long term. Short term, he didn't want to go with short term bridge deals, because they will without a doubt end up causing bigger problems later on. Long term, they have no bad contracts and lots of flexibility. Could he have been better? Maybe, who knows, but to say he's been terrible is just ignorant. To suggest that Lou would have been better is an absolute joke, Shanahan axing him saved this core's chances of winning together. Imagine what he would have done with Nylander's contract? He would have traded him for some vet with sand paper and used the money he saved to resign Komarov.</div></div>
You're going to say they're not in cap trouble when they have $0 in cap to work with? I'm not saying Lou would have been better. I'm saying Lou made the most of what he had and deserves part of their success in New York. Completely different questions. We'll see. I can tell you with 100% certainty that having Kane/Toews at a combined $12.6M helped win 2 cups. There's more than 1 way to do so and for your sake I hope TOR can change that approach.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LoganOllivier</b></div><div>Isn't he though? Saad doesn't look like a 6 million dollar player to me. Yes he has some intangibles that are valuable but he is getting paid like he is an offensive player and he doesn't really have that much offense. I like Saad, he's a good player, but if he's going to be compared to a player on the Leafs, he's a lot closer to Hyman than he is Nylander. Better hands than Hyman for sure but no one would move Hyman for someone like Elhers. Hyman is a 40-50 point winger who is a terrific forechecker, plays physical and can score 20 a season. Which right now, is pretty much what you can expect of Saad. Now don't take this as Saad is equal to Hyman, Saad is better. The point is, if you compare players in TO, Saad is closer to Hyman than Nylander. So trying to trade Saad for Nylander is grossly unfair which is where we have disagreed a tonne and I personally feel like you are just way out to lunch on this topic.
I do get the impression that you are similar to that Chihawk guy in the sense that you see the value of Nylander, know he's much better and way more valuable than Saad and talk him down in the hopes that his value will drop and you can get him prior to him breaking out.</div></div>
I can't even. I want to think you're just messing with me, but I don't even know anymore. Somehow...in your mind a 7 point delta makes Saad a Camp Dump and Nyalnder closer to Marner. Despite Saad actually having better career possession numbers, Actually plays defense... received actual votes for the Selke, and plays some PK time too.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>A_K</b></div><div>Depends on your "results". If you're talking about raw point totals, you're not leveling the playing field. From 2016 through the end of last season, I looked at 5v5 P/60 rates. Nylander ranks 57th of players with over 1,000 5v5 minutes (he has about 3,000 for reference). So at 5v5 he produced more points per minute of ice time than guys like Wheeler, Boeser, Duchene, Aho, Rantanen, Connor, etc.
If you're looking for his results (raw point totals) to be top-tier, he would have to get top line minutes and top PP usage (on a quality PP team). IMO his results are there, if anything it's his usage that is curbing his trajectory.</div></div>
I agree. I'm not saying he's bad at all. Here's a better stat. Look at how far off Matthews stats drop without Nylander. BUT...let's not forget...if you read through this post...there was a truly serious comparison by Leafs fans to Marner vs Nylander. I'm trying to bring reality to TOR fans. Not say he stinks.
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