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Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 3 at 5:45 p.m.
Thread: Selling moves Id like to see
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>Let me write it out for you.
Lysell
Wright...don't think they won't move him. If they thought he was a generational talent he'd be playing right now as they need help too. It shows what they think of him that's sitting at the same age as Matty B was already playing.
Lekkerimäki in VAN. Those other two aren't getting it done.
NYR is Othmann... Kakko doesn't move the needle.

So there you go, 4 teams with the assets of getting it done.

As for youth.
Poulin for starters.
Next year you can bring in Yager as well.
If they keep their pick this year, you are looking at Iginla. Who I would play right away as I think his game is already pro level.
You can also bring in Broz, if you can get him to sign.

Need to stop thinking this team doesn't have any youth. They sure as hell do and it's much better than people think.
There are at 2 players right now that could come in on the team next year and be better than anything else they are going to find in the over priced weak FA market.

spare me the organizational depth argument as well.
COL won a cup with Jack Johnson on their 3rd pairing.</div></div>

Your such a Homer lol
You think the Steelers are gonna go to the bowl next season too? 🤣
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 3 at 5:31 p.m.
Thread: Selling moves Id like to see
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>A. I just listed you 4 teams. I'm sure you can figure the prospect out. It's not about him being "more valuable because I say so" it's about comparable. Look at the return of Claud G. and you get it.

B. again, you aren't looking at the FA market, it sucks, who are you going to sign that is going to win you games? Can you even get them to come to a bottom team like PIT who just lost Jake?

C. top heavy is the trend across the whole NHL. There are reasons for that. It's not easy finding guys who can net 40 goals. Teams every year scrap together the bottom of the roster. You are just adverse to paying Jake.

As for your depth, they are better off playing youth at this point than over paying on mediocre FA. Just look at the history of returns on seeking out FA. It's not good and the market next year sucks. You take out Jake and you got Sam R. in FL, who is not coming to PIT. Then a whole bunch of not much. So you will over pay for players who aren't that good.
Smith is on an expiring deal next year. If it doesn't work out, oh well. It's easy to move him next year on an expiring deal in a hockey trade if they need to. But who are you going to bring in who can put up 20+ goals a year? All you will do is rope this team into a long term deal with an over paid player. Which is worse for the team. Keep Smith, play youth, to improve the bottom 6 and be done with it.</div></div>

Lysell-sure
Podkolzin or hoglander-maybe, but they just traded their first so they are probably out of the market for Guentzel
Kakko-maybe, but NYR tend to not trade their rly high picks until it’s way too late
Wright-Seattle is definitely not giving up on him this early

What youth is there to play…Poulin has been alright, but that’s his MO…he shines a bit in the A then does nothing in the NHL. Yager and Pickering are too young for NHL ice time. I’d like to see smith get some, but the org seems to not like him. Puustinen seems alright, but needs top 6 time in order to produce, which the team seems to not wanna give him…kinda like McCann when he was here.

Also top heavy teams don’t win the cup…VGK won on organizational depth Colorado won on defensive depth, Tampa won on forward and defensive depth, and St Louis won on defensive depth.

You don’t need to acquire depth with overpaying FAs, you can use the picks acquired from these deals to trade for guys you value in very similar deals to the smith one where someone’s looking to shed cap…something you can’t do with Guentzel at 9M
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 3 at 5:09 p.m.
Thread: Selling moves Id like to see
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DNP1932</b></div><div>I just dont think selling is going to be as great for this team as people think. Sure a late 1st round pick is ok, but in most drafts a 1st round at 16th overall and later has like a 50% chance of making the nhl. As for a prospect, it would definitely be less risky of a player (more likely to make the nhl), but then that prospect most likely doesn’t fit the timeline of the rebuild, so theyd be selling him for more assets eventually. Think people need to accept the next 2-3 years it’s gonna be like it is now them fighting for a spot, and guentzel needs to be here for that. After the big 3 retire/regress heavily, you blow it up and go full rebuild like they should. Also failing to mention that if their power play clicks at 20-22% for the rest of the year (big ask i know) i can confidently say they will finish 3rd in the metro.</div></div>

That’s fair, I’d just rather have 1sts to possibly trade for other players/retool cause this iteration of the pens is not a Stanley cup contender like it fools itself into thinking
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 3 at 5:06 p.m.
Thread: Selling moves Id like to see
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>Everytime a legit star player is traded the same drivel line comes out.... A 1st, a Prospect and a roster player.
Rinse repeate.
No one who says any of that has any real connection to any team, it's just some crap they throw out.

The penguins don't need a roster player back especially one the other team really doesn't want. Yes clearly a 1st is expected....it's the A+ prospect part you seem to miss.
You don't have one of those. Hence we are not interested.

As for as Smith, I'm not disappointed in Smith. Matter of fact I get why he's not engaged, completely.
But next year he will be for his own self interest. Just like Zucker, players play well in contract years. That's a solid player to move who will be going hard next year. If you want him 50% retained, it's a 1st.
Otherwise, I'd rather just keep him.

As far as who is in the market for Jake. BOS, VAN maybe, NYR, SEA. Are my 4 guess as to who can bring him in and have the pieces to make it work.
You seem to be hell bent on thinking they HAVE to trade Jake. They do not. He also knows he has it good in PIT and will get paid here. Crosby isn't slowing down and as long as Crosby is his Center he's got no hurry to go anywhere. It's more of a risk for him to leave than to stay on his numbers. He knows he can put numbers on the board here. The Pens can trade him anytime, need not be right this second.</div></div>

You didn’t answer my question… who in the market has an A+ prospect they are willing to get rid of and who is it?


<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>The Pens Cap next year is fine.
I'm not worried about Smith's play next year. You act like there is anyone else out there they can replace him with. The FA market sucks, and the odds PIT can land a good FA right now are poor.</div></div>

So he’s just more valuable cause you say so? I’ll stick with reporters insight… yet again, it’s not a guarantee a player plays well in a contract season.
the reason I want to trade Guentzel is that team depth is pretty much nonexistent, and signing Guentzel to a 6 year above 50M contract just means the team gets even more top heavy cap wise and can’t have any depth…also how is the cap situation good for the pens…without making any trades or FA signings, with Guentzel signed at 9M AAV they have -2M in cap space
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 3 at 4:47 p.m.
Thread: Selling moves Id like to see
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>NO that's just some repeated drivel you here every time a player is traded.

Yeah it's 2 late round 1st where we do expect atleast 1.
But your prospects are B class. Which we have no interest in.
We expect a return like Claud G.
A late first, an A+ prospect. We can take back an expiring roster player to make it work if need be. But that's the expectation.</div></div>

What’d I say that was repeated drivel? That smith has been disappointing? He hasn’t had any chemistry with our stars…I’m a pens fan 2 my guy… I watch all the games and just don’t think he’s been very good. I agree that’s the expectation but who is in the market for Guentzel that has one to give up? Best I can come up with is BOS with Lysell…cause most likely VAN is out
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 3 at 4:36 p.m.
Thread: Selling moves Id like to see
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>2 late round 1st aren't enough to get jake let along add in Smith.

We expect a A+ prospect coming back this way.
You don't really have the pieces for that.
I am however more than willing to send a retained Smith back to you for a 1st.</div></div>

Um the reported price is a late 1st, a prospect, and an established nhl player…this return gets 2 late 1sts and 3 prospects…smith has been disappointing as a penguin and was initially traded to us for a 3rd he’s definitely not worth a 1st…your severely overestimating the value of Guentzel and smith on this trade market…unless a bidding war happens ofc. Your getting 1 more first, and 2 more ex first round prospects for trading smith and retaining a total of 7.5M over 2 years
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 19 at 6:41 p.m.
Thread: yeah this much change is DEFINITELY realistic
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>If NJD wanted graves at 4.5 million x 6 they’d have signed graves at 4.5 million x 6.

So even just starting there he’s a cap dump in the eyes of NJD.

And now he’s disappointed in Pittsburgh, so his value has dropped more.

So like I said. Vanacek for Graves 1 for 1.

You take a cap dump and hope Vanacek can find his old game.

We take cap dump with much bigger, long term risk in hopes that we can rehabilitate Graves.

Either that or graves+2nd for future considerations</div></div>

A reclamation project does not equal a cap dump, I’d be willing to give up more on PITs side but Graves for Viteck does absolutely nothing for them…there’s no reason to give up on graves this early when your not getting anything of interest back, plus he’s just proven to not play well paired with talented offensive defensemen…he does better when he’s with other 2 ways like Marino