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Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 29 at 2:51 p.m.
Thread: Lets trade with Min again
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dougford</b></div><div>Drafted 9OA three years ago and has a whopping 21 career nhl games played with 1 assist. Has shown nothing significant at the NHL level along with mediocre AHL stats. If any gm paid a likely top 16 pick+ for him they should be fired into the sun.</div></div>

Christ, you really are ignorant aren't you?

Again, Rossi missed an ENTIRE YEAR OF CRUCIAL DEVELOPMENT TIME, it's more correct to put his development around D+2 then D+3.

THAT MATTERS.

Furthermore, if you think being near a PPG in his first season back from that missed season, and at a PPG in his 2nd season down in the AHL is <em>mediocre</em>.... ooooh boy. I'm not sure that word means what you think it means.

He was literally still just ranked as a top 30 prospect in the league by Wheeler of the Athletic and as the 62nd best player/prospect on Pronman's under 23 rankings which includes players who've already graduated to the NHL. That's in spite of the fact Pronman is a known disliker of Rossi.

Finally, no player is a bust at 21. Where they where drafted is and will always be irrelevant. It takes up to a player's age 23 season for them to typically develop and fully mature as a player if they're a forward, 25-26 for defenseman, and 26-27 for goaltending.

It's often been stated by professionals that it typically takes around 164 games in the NHL level to know what and who a player is. Rossi has played barely 20 games to date.

By your metric. Then players like Jack Hughes, Brayden Point, Joel Eriksson-Ek, and Tage Thompson are all *busts*, because they didn't produce right away. The expectation that players do so is and always be asinine. Players that produce right away are always the exception, not the rule.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 11 at 8:52 p.m.
Thread: Billy G
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazWild</b></div><div>There's nothing going on with Rossi. He's been near a PPG down in the AHL, and his level of play is impressive when considering he missed an entire year of crucial development due to Myocarditis.

If you're asking why he wasn't in the NHL this year. It's because Guerin/Wild organization don't like rushing prospects and even though Rossi wasn't playing bad, he was playing sound defensive hockey at a minimum, his offense wasn't where they wanted it at the beginning of the year so he got sent back down. The plan, initially, was just to get his confidence and scoring ability back on track then call him up again. However, the play of other call ups, namely both Connor Dewar and Mason Shaw kept them in the lineup. Ergo... there wasn't a realistic spot for Rossi on Minnesota's roster until the injury to Joel Eriksson-Ek a couple of games ago

Thems the breaks. 🤷‍♂️</div></div>

^. And just to emphasize the health issues, everyone compares Rossi to Matt Boldy, but if you take into account the year he missed due to Myocarditis, he's actually two years behind Boldy in development (2020 draftee and the health year). So next season would be the equivalent season to when Boldy first entered the NHL, in which he played only a half season anyway. So there shouldn't be any panic on his development at this point, in my opinion.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 24 at 1:03 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 2 at 10:45 a.m.
Thread: Rumors Persist
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MNBassman</b></div><div>Would you consider a 1:1 with Addison and Boeser a fair deal?

I’m less concerned about the future of the Wild’s middle after reading the recent Athletic article about Rossi. Would I still prefer a center, absolutely, but taking a chance on Boeser (considering the price) might be a better way for the Wild to spend their assets…

All I know for sure is Boldy needs someone to play with!</div></div>

No, I think Addison has more value. From a pure point production standpoint he is very similar to Boeser this year and he'll probably cost $3M AAV at the most next season with more team control while Boeser is older, plays a less premium position, and has a much higher cap hit.

If we can make the money work I wouldn't mind adding Boeser, but I wouldn't be super happy about using Addison as the chip to get him unless there's something else coming back.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 22 at 4:17 p.m.
Thread: Its time
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Nightowl26</b></div><div>The 8-9 players you are referring to are
Reaves, Ryan
Gaudreau, Frédérick
Steel, Sam
Duhaime, Brandon
Shaw, Mason
Dumba, Matt -- You guys are definitely dealing him at the deadline. So you are gonig to save money here as well.
Gustavsson, Filip - You have your stud Goalie who I heard should be ready next year.
Addison, Calen

To me, I'm taking Nelson at 6M instead of these players (forwards) you have to possibly sign.</div></div>

Before last night's game Gustavsson led the league in GAA and save %, and has done so since mid November.

You're an idiot if you think the team moves on from him.

What's better for the Wild's goaltending situation?

Moving a legitimate 24 year old 1B goaltender and waiting on a 20 year old goalie to play next year when he’s ready, and keep the 38 year old HOF'er as well. But is gone after next season.

OR

Keeping the 24 year old 1B goaltender. Let your 38 year old HOF'er play out the last year of his contract. And overbake your stud 20 year old goaltending prospect and have him wait an extra year.

Then have a truly terrifying 1A/1B goaltending tandem that will give opposing teams fits for the next 10+ years.

I got news for you, it ain't the one where the 24 year old 1B gets moved.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 22, 2022 at 11:52 a.m.
Thread: Ideal TDL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gopherit</b></div><div>RazWild - in your opinion,

1. how should the Wild treat this season?
2. how can the Wild realistically acquire a long-term legitimate 1C?</div></div>

I'll answer question 2 first.

Through the draft.

Simply put. It would be an utter waste of assets and resources to try and acquire one through trade, which probably would only hurt us in the long run. And we cannot afford to sign one through UFA.

Looking at the available options out there right now, the only one I'd be comfortable trading for is Horvat. But that's a double-edged sword. While I love Horvat and would be ecstatic if we got him. There are three reasons why he doesn't work for us.

1) He's not a legitimate 1C, as he's more or less a middle-rung 2C like Mikko Koivu was.

2) He's strictly a rental. As we cannot afford to resign him after this season. That already puts us at a disadvantage by virtue of not wanting to pay what other teams may be willing to give up, as they would probably be looking to do just that, resign him.

As a rental, and a rental 2C at that, I'm very firm on the notion that his value is a B-level prospect, a 1st, and something there for cap purposes.

However, Canucks fans have been bullish on the idea that he somehow warrants a mid-1st and a top prospect. Which is insane, if you ask me.

3) I've seen multiple people post that they think he's going to be worth somewhere between $7-8M per on a new contract.

Which boggles my mind, and is also likewise insane. I would be incredibly leary of paying him anything over $6.5M a year. Which is the absolute max I'd go with him.

Again, this is a 2nd line center we're talking about here.

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Now, the answer to the first question you asked is even trickier.

I'll preface this with the explanation and caveat that I'm a pretty flexible individual when it comes to my viewpoints on most things. As I'm pretty laid-back mental wise most days and just go with the flow.

With that said.

I'm pretty much down with whatever happens this year. If we get our sh*t together and look to be a playoff team by the deadline, we may as well go for it. But if we're sucking badly. Sell off a piece here and there and enjoy the potential top ten pick we get this year.

If ever there was a year to suck, this is it.

To put this in perspective, all that the Wild need do to <em>get</em> that top ten pick at this point is more or less play .500 hockey the rest of the way. Include a slump or two in there at this point and it wouldn't take much for us to drop out of it.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 22, 2022 at 10:46 a.m.
Thread: Sabres get bigger
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>He's had over 100 hits once in his career, and that wasn't even top 50 in the league. Compared to the Sabres, the Sabres are literally the weakest team in the league. The smartest kid on the short bus isn't an honors student. He was also 4th on Minnesota and was the average for his line last year</div></div>

Huh? I literally just showed and listed to you he was <strong>THIRD</strong> on our roster. Not fourth. Or is reading comprehension that difficult?

Fine. Let's re-list it again shall we.

By team:
1) Marcus Foligno - 238
2) Brandon Duhaime - 201
<strong>3) Jordan Greenway - 155</strong>
4) Joel Eriksson-Ek - 138
5) Matt Dumba - 114


By Line:
1) Marcus Foligno - 238
2) Jordan Greenway - 155
3) Joel Eriksson-Ek - 138

And that *average* on his line is notable by virtue of that same line being the best shutdown line in hockey last year. A line that allowed only 5 goals against all season last year, when the next best shutdown line had over 10.

Whether he's in the top 50 for hits is literally meaningless to the discussion. He'd be the most physical player you'd have on roster, as a 34 gap in hits between him and your most physical player (Dahlin) isn't insignificant.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 3, 2022 at 6:31 p.m.
Thread: Does this even work
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>User123409871234</b></div><div>To say they aren't Cap compliant after this trade is a rather large oversight with a <strong>$2M D man as a scratch</strong> - they could easily <strong>move Merrill and call up an AHL defender to be the scratch</strong>, also if they aren't making a push for the cup <strong>why would they resign Fleury and why would he resign here</strong>? He just wanted to play out his last couple years in the league on a team that isn't going for it? Nylander has another year after this one as well, which, the Wild will lose both Dumba and Jost, so all you are really doing is trading Greenway for Nylander in this deal, where there are currently 14 different forwards which would not at all be surprising to see them make the roster out of camp.</div></div>
1. "$2M D man as a scratch" - assuming you are referring to Goligoski, he's not a scratch as he's expected to play most games on the bottom pair -- rotating with Merrill, Addison, and Sustr.
2. "easily move Merrill and call up an AHL defender" - why would we move a player we just extended for 3 years on a very cheap deal? Also, we may have a strong D pipeline but none of them are ready for this season (including Faber who we won't get until the very end of the season).
3. "why would they resign Fleury and why would he resign here?" - cuz MAF likes Guerin and Guerin likes MAF. Other than that, idk.
4. We aren't interested in trading Greenway after we extended him to an affordable 3 year deal and he's been instrumental in turning the GREEF line into the best defensive line in the league.