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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Radu47</b></div><div>As someone who sees the "Krebs is untouchable for Eichel" thing as ridiculous chest thumping I fully support that return, he's just not that great...</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BuFfaLOFaN</b></div><div>That is a horrible 3 way for everyone but Vegas.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan</b></div><div>Not bad for BUF?</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres89</b></div><div>I like him a lot too. Hes not getting the chances he should be getting, but when you are 5'6", it doesnt come easy. <strong>I wouldnt trade him right now, he doesnt have any real value in trade</strong>, its all potential, based on what he did in the SHL and AHL, but nobody is giving you anything for him, <strong>hes just a high ceiling ask as a throw in</strong>.</div></div> This is too complicated, Simplify it.
<strong>Smith, Reilly </strong> I like the grit that Ritchie adds, but that does not seem to be an issue with Buffalo this year. Buffalo needs RW more than LW, and Smith's cap (notice we are below the minimum) I would keep Smith.
<strong>Dadonov, Evgeni </strong> He is worth at least as much as Strome if not more, Vegas can make the trade Chicago directly
2022 1st round pick (VGK)
2023 1st round pick (VGK)
<strong>Ruotsalainen, Arttu</strong> To get two firsts and Krebs I am OK to add him, I also think he has decent <strong>potential.</strong>
Lastly, I may be dreaming but Butcher has played well this year (remember he is playing his off wing), I would like to keep him he may produce a decent return at the TDL.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Eli</b></div><div>I built the Eichel trade from one that a Buffalo fan suggested in a MTL thread's comments, this summer. I swapped Drouin in for a 1st because a 1st place team with injuries up the middle could use two skill guys who can play center, more than they could use just one and a draft pick. The other stuff is from some other Sabres fan. If you want to look up who and argue with them, it's about three pages back under Habs teams. I think it had Eichel in the title.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Diaspora</b></div><div>Late round first are 4-5 year projects with significant risks. Early firsts are worth more, but are much harder to pry loose. I don't understand why my fellow Sabres fans are so obsessed with them. I would prefer an Eichel trade composed of prospects with good development years and current NHLers.
That said, Dvorak and Romanov are valuable pieces. Drouin isn't worth the stated sell value. Luke isn't the right Tuch.
Sabres' future is beginning to look like a team with a good defense and three second lines. With Dvorak it might be four second lines. Is that a recipe for contending? Not impressed.</div></div> You can skip the last paragraph for the substance if you wish, as I tend to include too much detail in my comments.
The Sabres are a Dr, Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
Dr, Jekyll is a hard working team that will always keep the score close and never give up until they are out of gas (see NJ Devils).
Mr. Hyde is a team that allows one or two scoring chances and loses the game (see BOS Bruins) because they do not have the talent to beat better GK and defense.
I was very satisfied with the performance of both games, obviously not the results.
The Sabres did sort of give up in the third period against the Bruins until Olofsson scored, but they just ran out of gas against the Devils in the third period.
So what directions should the Sabres go in this year?
Make this trade to add scoring and more depth, or trade away all of the UFA's and Jack for future picks and current prospects.
The defense (except Dahlin, he had a terrible give away and penalty v BOS which led to two goals and a bad penalty against NJ which essentially led to the team losing the game) and GK has been a real bonus this year. Hagg and Butcher are far better than I could have imagined, and Tokarski and Anderson have been brick walls.
But when your two of your four top goal scores play on the fourth line, one has to understand the team needs to add offense if they are going to win.
Let me cut to the chase, IMO no matter how hard they work and never give up, this team does not have the depth nor the talent to make the playoffs.
Making this trade only prolongs the mediocrity and agony, just as trading away futures for Kane, O'Reilly and Lehner set back the rebuild by 6 years.
No one is going to give their best prospect for jack.
Get some good second line and second pairing prospects to build the depth.
Add as many draft picks as possible to utilize the "shot gun" effect of hitting the target.
It appears the Sabres had a couple of good drafts and some really good young defensemen and GK.
Take the long path and build for the future, it will be here in 2 or 3 years.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jpsnow13</b></div><div>First of all, you got Skinner and Hinostroza as first line wingers 🤣, so Hoffman and Drouin would be immediate help.... <strong> But they are both LH while Skinner and Olofsson are doing well this year and have the same number of goals and one more pt than Drouin and Hoffman.</strong></div></div> Let's look at the value of your trade.
Hoffman was with round 7 pick in the 2018 draft to Florida Panthers for round 4 pick in the 2018 draft, round 5 pick in the 2018 draft and round 2 pick in the 2019 draft. He was traded by Ottawa to the Sharks for even less than 2nd, 4rh, 5th and 7th.
Drouin is a bit of a project right now, it is hard to value him now. Considering his previous two seasons, he could return a first or he could revert to his previous two years production.
Mailloux is not even considered MTL's top RW prospect, and his value is difficult to determine as nearly all pundits gave MTL an "F" for drafting him. Why should the Sabres now take him considering his private life and that he is not playing hockey this year?
2023 2nd round pick (MTL)
2023 1st round pick (MTL)
The herniated disk injury is painful but not career ending,
While you may see value in the trade a rebuilding Sabres probably would not.
I think they would easily pass as there are no certainties.
Drouin my regress to his previous two year production, Hoffman may only have the value of 2nd and 3 lesser picks, Mailloux may never play hockey again, Jack may be prevented from playing the suggested games for reasons other than his neck (what if the Habs kept him out of action because they wanted to do poorly for better drafting reasons or to keep the two picks).
Can we agree to this?
The trade without the retention and pick is going to be close to what the Sabres will receive for Jack.
RW, LHD, prospect and a first.
Can we also agree that the first will be very late if not the last of the first round, and that Compher does not have the value he had two year ago?
So while the trade does address the needs of the Sabres, the retention and draft pick is too much to ask.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>I dont see how moving Girard helps the Avs. Hes is a solid Dman that is part of their core. Eichel is gone all season and will be on LTIR until late March at the earliest. They dont have to move significant cap inseason to make the cap work for him. <strong>The Sabres have certainly started the season on a high note, but I think they would still prefer picks and prospects over solid NHL players. So if Gerard was removed, and he is as good as all of the Colorado comments indicate, it would a significant addition.</strong></div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ArakinSkywalker</b></div><div>I mean you'd have to move cap if you planned on playing next year... <strong>Who could Colorado move to make cap space?</strong></div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Anus_McLeod</b></div><div>I have seen similar comments from Sabres fans a number of times now... <strong>Sabres fans are myopic. I like all of our LHD prospects, but the key word is prospects, Gerard is a solid NHL LHD</strong></div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xqb15a</b></div><div>If you can’t move a 23yr old top pairing dman on a team friendly contract for the next 5 yrs for more than a good forward prospect your GM sucks. It amazes me how people are willing to diminish the value of really good players. Girard is significantly better and cheaper than Seth Jones locked up long term and you question his value? <strong>There in lies the rub, Kevyn Adams could only get a 2nd for Taylor Hall. What do you think he could get for Gerard, a third?</strong> </div></div>