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gretzkyghosts

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Forum: Armchair-GM11 hours ago
Thread: How much is too much for Jack
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>beantownboy17</b></div><div>That is too much. There's a reason he hasn't been traded yet. He isn't worth what Buffalo is asking. Young NHL roster player, A+ prospect, 1st rounder, another 1st or a B prospect.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jfstompers</b></div><div>The old 10 for 1 deal, I've seen it many times before</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>Not like this. Normally its ten crap prospects.
This is way too much.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres89</b></div><div>Boston has got to be just about the last place. We arent retaining for 5 years, they wont wanna play him 30 times before his contract is up, and if you gotta send 11 pieces, its the wrong pieces.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AgentWebster</b></div><div>You know one way or another he is coming to Boston and this is a really good package for him BUT if you don't understand what your getting back in this deal then good luck in life.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gofnut999</b></div><div>If Donny did that he should be fired and possibly executed.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Buffalove</b></div><div>I just don’t see Buffalo trading him to the Bruins</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sabresforlife</b></div><div>Bos, Pitt, Was are all in the same boat really good teams that are starting to age out - The question is does Eichel get you another kick at the can? personally I think Spencer Knight would be a better target nothing helps a team win in the playoffs more than a hot goalie</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bruinadian67</b></div><div>Whoa...that got dark!!</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafs_and_Sens_Fan</b></div><div>I think Buffalo just wants four 1sts. They don't need any prospects. If you need to give a short term cap dump for a season or two then they'd probably take those on.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OlegP</b></div><div>Literally, Boston's entire future.</div></div> With Jack playing in front of McAvoy and Rask and Bergeron as the other top center we all do not think that Boston will be significantly better than last year?
For the next 2 or even 3 years all of those first round picks will be either just before Buffalo's second round pick or no more than 4 picks earlier as Boston will give Tampa a real challenge.
So the the three first round picks are nearly 2nds, but to avoid an argument, I will call them firsts.
The same for the 2nds will all be very late but we will call them 2nds.
DeBrusk from 2 years past looked really good, how about last year, With 5 goals and $3,500,000 salary does that put him into the cap dump catagory?
Vaakanainen a LHD drafted in 2017 (four year ago) has played 16 NHL games, does that put him into the bust catagory
Studnicka a good prospect, the <strong>jewel</strong> of the trade.
Wagner please forgive me Chris, but what does he add to the trade.
Take out DeBrusk, Vaakanainen and Wagner from the trade.
Imagine Studnicka, 3 26th OA draft picks and 3 58th OA draft picks, does that sound like too much for Jack Eichel?
Forum: Armchair-GM11 hours ago
Thread: Need 2 Know
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ed_</b></div><div>You don't know how trades work. Deal with it.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>Enlighten me smart guy. How do you they work? How is a team like the Sabres moving dahlin and eichel without getting one elite prospect back logical?</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Nate</b></div><div>"You don't know how trades work" - The person who literally just asked Buffalo for their franchise center and their franchise defenseman in return for a rental, a b-level prospect, a few picks of which only 1 is of any value, and 2 decent players, and then also trades our best defenseman for a player with 1 year of term to play 3C. Nice one</div></div> Dahlin, Rasmus [RFA Rights] = Rielly, Morgan + 2022 2nd round pick (TOR) + 2023 3rd round pick (TOR) I think I am being generous as Dahlin has a HUGE upside, much more than the picks, plus considering the age and salary difference.
Rosén, Isak [Reserve List] &gt;= 2023 1st round pick (TOR) a recent 14th OA for will most likely be a late pick
Eakin, Cody &lt; Kerfoot, Alexander (Cody adds no value to the trade other than an over paid 4th line center)
Eichel, Jack ($2,200,000 retained) &gt;&gt; Abramov, Mikhail + Nylander, William + Amirov, Rodion
Take out 2nd, 3rd, Dahlin, Reilly, Eakin, Kerfoot and Abramov out of the trades.
Add Robertson (instead of Abramov) I think the trade is closer.
Forum: Armchair-GM13 hours ago
Thread: Winger Targets
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TooMalevolent</b></div><div>I don't think you see Dubas do the 1st Rd pick for a rental...</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Elevatorboy</b></div><div>I doubt Buffalo would retain.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Certainly Olofsson's production is better than Kerfoot's...Any trade involving Dermot exposes to Leafs to going with unproven NHL Dman.</div></div> I would hate to see Olofsson traded, but getting Kerfoot and a first has me interested.
Retain 50% of Olofsson, take Dermott out of the trade as Buffalo has many options for LHD and add another piece.
Buffalo traded away 26 yo Ristolainen and 25 yo Reinhart while shopping 24 yo Jack Eichel.
I think if Buffalo is looking to the future trading 26 yo Olofsson makes a ton of sense as Buffalo has other options for LW especially if Kerfoot is part of the trade.
Forum: Armchair-GM15 hours ago
Thread: eichel
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hammerwise</b></div><div>theyve both put 250pts the last 4 yrs and while Coots is a UFA, he wont be a 10mil UFA. Hes just 28 yrs old, a selke winner, a leader, a team first guy= something BUF needs, JVR is added for salary purposes, but he has no injury history and a safe bet for 20-30 goals...</div></div> This is a very interesting trade.
You make a very compelling case for the trade.
How do you value Rubtsov, and Strome?
What value does 32 yo JVR bring to the Sabres?
What happens if Buffalo cannot trade or sign Couturier?
If Buffalo made this trade they would have only 3 Right handed forwards next year: Cozen, Thompson and Okposo!

OK those are the negative sides to the trade.
Couturier is only 4 years older than Eichel, if there was a guarantee he would sign a 6 year contract with the Sabres, he would be a big plus.
JVR should provide decent production and replace the scoring that Reinhart provided.
The following year, If JVR could be moved for a decent return it make the trade very attractive.

On the surface it looks like a fair deal, I will agree.
But, if Couturier does not sign with Buffalo, and JVR's production slips all Buffalo has is a couple of prospects with a low NHL ceiling.

I think I would have to pass on this trade unless Couturier came with an extension.

<a href="/users/sk540" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@sk540</a> you are correct Couturier would be a great addition, but I think a younger edition is what Buffalo would want is the point that <a href="/users/Juiceman" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Juiceman</a> is making.
Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 10:33 am
Thread: TinkyWinky
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sensonfire</b></div><div>With that said, you essentially traded away Taylor Hall, Curtis Lazar and Anders Bjork for a 2nd and 3rd round pick in one big vacuum.</div></div> Hall and Lazar for a second and a third.
Bjork was received in the trade of Hall and Lazar with a 2nd.
Hall + Lazar = 2nd + <strong>Bjork</strong>
<strong>Bjork</strong> = 3rd
Substituting 3rd for <strong>Bjork</strong>
Hall + Lazar = 2nd + 3rd

Regardless, Kevyn Adams is way over his head and should never have given the job of GM.
Time will tell but other than trading up to get Peterka in last years draft, his draft picks have been dreadful
He grossly over paid to get Hall to sign, was raped in the Hall trade, should have traded Ullmark at the TDL, made a terrible decision to sign Eakin while letting Larsson walk and others mistakes including letting both Gilmour and Redman go (both solid AHL D-men) and signed Irwin and Davidson to replace them.
Observe the improvement after Karmanos is hired, Ristolainen is traded for a decent LHD, 1st and 2nd. Reinhart is moved for GK who was a brick wall in the JWC-20 and a first.
Pysyk is signed as a free agent when he was available last year when KA signed two sub standard AHL defensemen.
I hope Karmanos can continue to pull rabbits out of a hat if not Buffalo will miss the playoffs during my entire remaining life.
Forum: Fauteuil - DGFri at 10:36 pm
Thread: Eichel
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RKLW</b></div><div>Don't know if Buffalo is looking for players they'd have to sign...</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Giakki</b></div><div>if the habs can get him that would be abig. i think they are already better than the leafs and im a leaf fan.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SalamiCheese</b></div><div>Sabres decline</div></div> Lehkonen, with Skinner, Olofsson, Bjork, Girgensons, Ruotsalainen why would the Sabres want another LW.
Primeau (a really good GK prospect) with Levi, UPL and Portillo the Sabres are very deep with GK prospects.
Byron is obviously a cap reduction move.
So the Sabres are trading Jack Eichel for Kotkaniemi, Poehling and 2022 1st round pick (MTL).
Do you think this is enough?
I think if you added secondary players that Buffalo needs, then include a bit for taking on Byron, Kevyn Adams may answer Bergevin phone calls.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 5:36 pm
Thread: Finishing up with Eichel and Tatar
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DennisReynolds</b></div><div>Both Monahan and Johnny hockey nix the deal with their no trade clauses anyways</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Cham</b></div><div>Any Eichel trade proposal is controversial, so to each his own. But why no interest in Tatar, I fell like he’d offer top-6 play, and especially goal scoring, for what will likely be a discounted rate. And at least in this scenario would allow the flames to have zero holes in the top-9</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Because Gaudreau is way better than Tatar and Eichel can be acquired without moving Gaudreau, also Mangiapane is better than Tatar</div></div> In a world that contracts do not have no trade clauses, Buffalo would be crazy to say no to this trade.
Buffalo could move Skinner to RW and the top line would be Gaudreau-Monahan-Skinner
Olofsson-Cousins-???
Asplund-Mittelstadt-Thompson
As a Sabre fan I would think this is fair:
Monahan, Sean
Dubé, Dillon
Matt Coronato
Zary, Connor
2022 1st round pick (CGY)
I welcome your comments.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 4:54 pm
Thread: Anahiem offseason
<strong>Jones</strong> Buffalo does not need another LW.
Skinner, Olofsson, Bjork, Asplund, Girgensons and Ruotsalainen will be trying to fill the 4 LW spots.
Jones does not fill a need.
<strong>Manson</strong>, would fill a nice hole the Sabres have at RHD now that Ristolainen has been traded away.
He would certainly be Buffalo's #1 RHD next year.
He is 29 years old and has one year remaining on his contract, do you honestly think he will sign with Buffalo.
If you want, please trade him, then send those assets to Buffalo.
Do you think, you will get as much as Ristolainen returned?
So let's agree that he will add a first, second and young player.
<strong>Guhle</strong>, Buffalo has Dahlin, Power, Hagg, Butcher, Bryson, Samuelsson, Johnson I do not see a need for Guhle.
Remember, Buffalo traded him away, I really do not think he will be welcome.
So none of the three players are a perfect fit.

Let's include Manson and presume he has the value of a 1st, 2nd and young player
Add Mason McTavish from last year's draft instead of Jones and Guhle.
Include this year and next year first round pick.
Buffalo would then need to either sign or trade Manson as he will be 34 yo before the Sabres are competitive again.

So the only change I am making is including last years draft pick and dropping two players Buffalo does not need nor want.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 10:30 am
Thread: rebuild or reshuffle not going to happen just for fun to collect 1st round picks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>athrin</b></div><div>ott declines, not trading brady or anyone from the core.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Buffalove</b></div><div>Not enough for Eichel
Especially considering Ottawa is a division rival</div></div> Ottawa says too much Buffalo says not enough.
athrin, I dig it. You are correct Tkachuk is very good, but to get Jack one has to give up something of value.
IMO it is fair, maybe drop the second.
Buffalove, actually it is pretty good offer.
Boucher was selected 10th OA last year.
Tkachuk is worth at least 2 first round picks
Then adding a first and a second. <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabresparaavida</b></div><div>Would think it would take more that a first to take on that much cap.</div></div> Actually, Buffalo needs nearly all of that salary to reach the cap floor of $60,240,000.
With this trade the team is just $4,800,000 above the floor.
Only Kassian's salary extends beyond this year and he may have some value.
IMO if Buffalo retained half of his salary, he could return a 3rd or even a late 2nd.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 5:34 pm
Thread: Stars 21-22
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheMooterus</b></div><div>I actually really like this concept. My only issue with it is trying to fit Bishop's $4.9M cap hit under the salary cap before the seasons starts &amp; he's eligible to be put on LTIR</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>abennett1284</b></div><div>Definitely an issue for sure. Other issue, Vegas having to probably part with more like Karlsson and Chandler to get that Eichel contract under the cap. Maybe keep Marchessault.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>EsoYeezus69</b></div><div>This would be actually really nice. Great job.</div></div> Three Dallas Stars ACGM all like the trade.
I really like Mittelstadt's upside.
Playing the Granato system the last dozen games with Asplund and Thompson he centered the best Buffalo line.
With that endorsement one may think: "Give me more!"
Actually, if I were the Sabre's GM and Jim Nill called me with that offer I could not say yes fast enough.
Even at 35 Khudobin can GK really well.
Two mid round seconds are nearly equal to Tampa's first from this year.
Faksa while he does not have the upside of Mittelstadt is a great throw in.
So the Sabres get their starting GK for this year, a couple of picks for the future and a third line center.
Let's make a deal! :cheers
Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 8:57 pm
Thread: I still think were getting Eichel
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aastorino1993</b></div><div>Honestly, I do not want Eichel and I don't think the Rangers are going to give away and over pay for him...</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NYR1983</b></div><div>... We have set our price and are just waiting for BUF to come back ...</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LafreNYR</b></div><div>Couple points...I would rather have Eichel longterm than Mika, he’s the younger and better player.
3)NYR could find a way to keep Mika and Eichel long term, but it depends on Fox being willing to take a bridge deal...</div></div> Sabre fan here, that is a fair offer.
One change, take out Georgiev, and add Strome.
With Levi, Portillo and Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen the Sabres have a really good GK prospect pool.
Jones is a defenseman and Buffalo needs RW, but maybe with last years and this years draft they have addressed that black hole.
IMO the Rangers are the most likely team to get Jack.
When I saw Buchnevich traded before the draft, I was certain a deal was in place as he and Strome were often mentioned as assets added to the deal but were also cap reduction additions.
I hope I am agreeing with you all, I hope this is not too much in your opinion.
I do not think it harms the Rangers future but helps them make the playoffs.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 26 at 9:37
Thread: eichel update 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>soooonk</b></div><div>Agree with you on Parsons, although if hes a throw in, its good to have options.
Phillips has potential, but needs the opportunity.
I wouldn't say nobody wants Kylington, I just think the price is too high because of how good of a skater he is and how hard that is to find.
For OP, I think you would have to swap Monahan for Zary to make the trade work. Buffalo is going to want to get a lot younger.</div></div> You are correct Parsons is a throw in but throw in a prospect who does not play GK.
With Levi, Portillo and Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen the Sabres have a really good GK prospect pool.
Phillips is probably an OK prospect and he plays center.
Kylington is also and OK add on but he plays LD, with Dahlin, Powers, Hagg, Bryson, Samuelsson, and possibly McCabe and Pilut, Buffalo does not need another.
I think you need to keep Monahan in the trade to balance the cap. <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OrganizedConfusion55</b></div><div>What are you talking about?? Two legit NHLers, one in Tkachuk that is a Line 1 LW, and a 2nd line center, plus 2 first round picks.</div></div> Where does Tkachuk come into the conversation?
Was he in the trade originally?
Let's presume this is the asking price:
<strong>One young C </strong> Dillon Dube
<strong>A Prospect</strong> 2024 1st round pick (CGY) and 2022 3rd round pick (CGY)
<strong>B prospect</strong> Matthew Phillips
<strong>1st round pick</strong> 2022 1st round pick (CGY)
<strong>Salary back</strong> Sean Monahan
I think it punches all of the tickets. Monahan is not a pure cap dump, but the picks do not guarantee value.
Overall, I think it is a fair offer and Buffalo may accept it.
Replace Parsons and Kylington with a prospect of equal value and I cannot see Buffalo rejecting this offer.
Shibbal18 likes to think he could be an NHL GM and knows more than all of them combined.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 26 at 9:09
Thread: Based on new rumors
Solid input from both of you.
I am a Sabre fan here and think this would be the MAX that Buffalo could expect in an Eichel trade.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mvp13</b></div><div>Any team trading for Eichel will be giving up 4 or more pieces... some extras here for the other guy...</div></div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tsyls</b></div><div>Buffalo isn’t going to want 6 different players. They’ll want 3 or 4 at most that are of quality. That’s the issue. I thought the asking price for Eichel was something like:
One young C <strong>Chytil, Filip </strong>
A Prospect <strong>Kravtsov, Vitali</strong>
B prospect <strong>Jones, Zachary</strong>
1st round pick <strong>2022 1st round pick (NYR)</strong>
Salary back <strong>Strome, Ryan</strong>
<strong>If Hájek and 2022 2nd round pick (STL) are for Miller, Buffalo would be crazy to say no.</strong>
Likely don’t need to send as many pieces. I’m sure something like Chytil + Kakko + Schneider + Strome + 2022 1st would do it.
<strong>IMO, Buffalo would kill to get this return.</strong></div></div> I hope we can agree on this.
While Buffalo does not need D-men prospects, I think without Ristolainen, Miller will get more PP time and could return to his previous offensive output then the Sabres could flip him at the TDL.
TBH, I think Girgensons would be included in the trade instead of Miller.
I understand the Rangers are looking to add some grit to the bottom 6.
I am probably rating Zemgus too high but the 2022 2nd would be close to his value.