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Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 27, 2022 at 9:37 a.m.
Thread: 22-23 test
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quote:</div>Chicago is going into full rebuild mode article (will need a couple of goalies and some bad contracts to get to the cap floor)
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As you mentioned, the Hawks are entering a rebuild. Why would the Blackhawks trade their best minor league prospect to gain two 2nd round draft picks? Especially considering the Hawks have developed a drafting profile that emphasizes tenacity, forechecking, doggedness, and speed, a player mold that Reichel fits. They also currently have plenty of salaries, they don't need to give up prospects to make the floor. Even if the Hawks sold off all their major cap hits (which is a big if), they can weaponize that cap space by taking advantage of teams who are above the cap and taking on a bad contract to get picks (Trading for Marazk + for future considerations is a popular one).

The article you presented to support your trade was focused on members of the Blackhawks. The other thing to note is that while yes, basically everyone in the organization is available, your gonna have to blow away the Blackhawks to get some of them (Like Dach, Debrincat, Reichel, etc.). IE, any young player on the team who can be a piece the team can build around for the future could be available, but you will need to exceed the perceived the Blackhawks place on that player in order to get them to give them up. The conversation with Dach and Reichel likely starts at a 1st + additional picks and prospects, Debrincat likely starts with 2 firsts + additional picks and prospects. You might think that's overpriced, but again, the Hawks have no need to move these players, the only way someone is getting them is to overpay on them. If they stay, they would be excellent pieces to build around for the future. There is definitely no way 2 seconds and a bunch of salary dump throw-ins is going to do it.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 22, 2022 at 12:24 p.m.
Thread: Players Leafs Should Target
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hammerwise</b></div><div>Considering all of those teams have cap space, and none of them are making big coin, its very unlikely that they don;t qualify these guys.

And even if they didnt qualify them or these other guys get bought out, why would TOR get them so cheaply? If they were available on the open market I can;t see somebody who can offer a bigger role get them.

And deslauries and husso sign as UFAs for so little?

And are the 115pt maple leafs like the Island of Misfit Toys now?</div></div>

As a hawks fan, I could see the Hawks trying to deal Kubalik's rights, and if there are no takers, simply letting him walk. He's not really the type of player the Hawks are looking for, and keeping him on takes up a roster spot that could be better used on a younger player looking to develop his game more.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 21, 2022 at 11:48 a.m.
Thread: Who says no
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Melnyk_0ut</b></div><div>It's a hypothetical. What the hawks want and what they are offered could be two different things. Different scenario obviously but sens traded a top 5 RW in the league with an extension and got back Erik Brännström and a 2nd after a year of saying "other teams will offer something better"</div></div>

Different scenarios exactly. The Hawks also just traded a mid-6 forward at the deadline for two firsts and a bottom 6 and a mid-6. The hawks had something similar with Sharp, waiting for someone to offer something better. The difference is they needed to move on from Sharp, there is no need/want to move Debrincat other than getting a large return, if they don't get that, Debrincat is still highly valuable to the Hawks, they'll happily keep him.

IE, to get Debrincat, you'll need to present an offer that is greater than what the Hawks value Debrincat at, which is fairly high.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 21, 2022 at 11:37 a.m.
Thread: Who says no
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Melnyk_0ut</b></div><div>If they wanted to trade him though to move on or whatever, the 7th overall pick and 2 first round prospects wouldn't be the worst return ever</div></div>

They don't want to move on from him. The reason he's in the rumor mill is because he's their best asset to get the picks back that were lost by Bowman. He is still young, will still be an effective goal scorer when the rebuild is likely to be over, and he's still a restricted agent. It's likely 20million will come off the books next year, so the cost isn't an issue for the hawks. The hawks are likely to be looking for at least 2 firsts (the 7th overall isn't really that big of a deal in this draft), a prospect and an NHL ready player. This offer likely dons't beat what other teams would offer. And again, if this offer was the best bid presented, it's likely the hawks would just wait till the deadline, or just sign Cat and keep him for the long term.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 17, 2022 at 1:40 p.m.
Thread: CHI blockbuster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>2 1sts ? Do u know how players values work? Stutzle is worth at least 3 1sts right now and the 7th overall is higher than the value of a regular 1st, closer to 2 1sts. So that’s 5 1sts for Debrincat and Strome. That’s ridiculous</div></div>

I think you're overvaluing the 7th overall. Again, it's a weak draft. It's not worth anything more than the 10 or 11th. I also think you overvaluing Stutzle, I may have undervalued him, but there is no way a .66 ppg player who is a career -45 is worth 3 1sts. If he is, Debrincat is worth more. Yeah, Stutzle is young and developing, but at most I'd say he's worth 2 firsts. So in my eye, the 7th overall isn't worth any more than a mid-1st, definitely not worth 2. If it were the 7th in 2023 then yeah, you would be right, but not in the 2022 draft. Add in the fact you are dumping murry, which you need to pay for, and the op was asking for Vlassic (a young, high-level defensive defenseman prospect), yeah, this is an underpay by Ottawa.