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Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 10:45 am
Thread: Jets now trying to trade buff
I imagine that the only thing palatable for both sides will be conditional picks depending on how Buff does. One conditional pick for this season and then a second conditional pick for next year.

As the NHL has backed the Jets position here and given the green light for them to spend his cap money there isn't much risk to the acquiring team. If he doesn't play he doesn't impact the cap in any way. If he does play you get Buff who maybe decides to play another 5 more years. Who knows.

I'd imagine it would be future considerations, which become a 3rd round pick if Buff plays a game in the playoffs this year and a 2nd if he plays more than 50% of the playoff games and the team wins a round and a 1st if they go to the WCF.

Then the same thing the following year. If Buff plays 40 games it's a 2nd and if he puts up at least 40 points or is extended it changes to a 1st. (Buff has put up 40 points a season or at least been on that pace every year since he switched to D, so essentially for the last decade)

Could be a decent return for the Jets (2 late 1sts) if Buff performs like we expect. If he doesn't then it may cost the acquiring team nothing.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct 16, 2019 at 10:46
Thread: Year after
You're trading a lot for a guy that ends up as a third pair Right D. In your scenario in addition to moving out Poolman (who is a third pair RD) Vesa and a 2nd we also likely lose Logan Stanley to waivers.

It's a small sample size but Heinola Pionk look like they could be the 2nd pair already. JMo is top pair on the left and I expect Samberg to step in and play too like you've shown.

There's really no need to make this move at all, especially when it costs us a bottom pair roster player, 2 former 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick.

Alternate scenario with no trade and no Buff:

Next year (with age next season):

JMo (25) Niku (24)
Heinola (19) Pionk (25)
Samberg (21) Poolman (27)
Stanley (22)

So the D is pretty much set, so is the top 9 and the goaltending. If you add Buff back in there it looks even better.

This year may be a down year, but I still think we're a playoff team and we'll be right back to being serious contenders again next year. At least that's how I see it playing out.

There's no need for the Jets to trade for anybody, even though other fanbases think we should. Just be patient through 1 up and down year where we likely make the playoffs and if we don't it's a great draft so we should be able to grab a 2C of the future.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct 7, 2019 at 11:23
Thread: Jets
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tsyls</b></div><div>This would be so stupid if Chevy did this. There’s no reason to freak out.

Once Morrissey Niku and Beaulieu are healthy again, things will calm down. No need to go out and make a stupid trade and ruin the future. That Buf trade is so bad, I don’t think risto even helps defensively LOL. He’s a liability and was -24 last year lol.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BigDog91</b></div><div>So the team was -45 last year and he played 30 mins a night against other teams top line with scandella as his partner. So, i think -24 is pretty good. Drew Doughty was -34 last year does that mean he is bad in defensive zone? When you play on bad team your =/- will be bad.</div></div>

FYI, he wasn't -24 last year. He was -41. Risto doesn't return even one of those pieces, never-mind all three.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep 30, 2019 at 4:57
Thread: Niskanen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>Doubt philly is trading Niskanen a few months after acquiring him</div></div>

Fair, but if they want P. Myers to play they have Sanheim, Braun, Niskanen and P.Myers on the right side. Even if you flip Sanheim to the left you have Provy, Ghost, Morin and Hagg there already and you don't want both Morin and Hagg stuck in the pressbox.

My understanding is that there is no way they move Myers or Sanheim so that leaves Braun or Niskanen (they just acquired both)

They could just put Myers in the AHL and then he steps in for Braun next year or when an injury happens, but this allows the Jets to address the need for a proven top 4 RHD and the Flyers to get Myers into the starting lineup and address a weakness at RW in the NHL.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep 26, 2019 at 10:00
Thread: y not
Nobody hates Laine because he wasn't scoring for 3 months of his career. He needs to get a bit quicker and be stronger in board battles... typical 20 year old player stuff.

We'll keep them both. The way the Jets operate is deadline driven so before the regular season starts they'll make their final offer to both players. Our owner doesn't allow higher offers once the season starts so they players will sit until they accept what was already offered. They can just ask Jacob Trouba if they need proof.

I think we get Laine at 2 by $6.5 and Conner at 7 by $7.5. Then Buff can come back or not. Either way we're cap compliant.

As an aside, I'd actually flip Perreault and Connor on your lines as Perreault Little Ehlers was excellent 2 seasons ago as the defacto top line when Scheifele got hurt and Connor / Roslovic have always had excellent chemistry together from their time on the Moose. Also, I think Berdin gets the call instead of Comrie if Broissoit gets hurt, but that's just my opinion.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep 20, 2019 at 1:44
Thread: Can Jet fans explain this thinking to me
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LoganOllivier</b></div><div>But why wouldn't the fan base not even think that is an option? I mean, who in their right mind would move a 21 year old so they can make their cap work when they could move a 32 year old (Wheeler) or 34 year old Buff (If he doesn't retire) or Little? If I was Chevy, I'd move out those older players and get future assets. Take a small step backwards and come back younger, faster and stronger.</div></div>

Personally I don't do that because 1) both Wheeler and Little have full No Move clauses so thinking about moving them isn't realistic unless they want to move and 2) Most of the trades involving a winger are to bolster the RD, not become cap compliant. We can easily afford everyone it's just that someone needs to take a bridge deal. Sign Connor at 7 by $7.5 and Laine at 2 by $6.5 with a structure of $5M year 1 and $8M year 2. If we need more cap space we can just suspend Buff and then we don't need to account for his caphit. We're being nice right now and I imagine will continue to be nice as long as we can. I'm sure Buff gets that we either need him playing or his capspace while he isn't.

Knowing our position of strength is Wing and we can't trade Wheeler because of his NMC and that Roslovic and Vesalainen are unproven in the NHL that leaves moving one of Ehlers, Connor or Laine in a hockey trade for a young, controlled top pair RHD. Ehlers has a value contract that we need so really its down to Connor or Laine and all the Rumour sites are saying Laine so that's what people go with.

With how the young D have looked in exhibition so far I wouldn't be making any trades. Lets see what we've got first and if it's bad this year then make a trade for next year. With the expansion draft we may be able to pressure some teams into moving a D. For example the Flyers will want to protect Provy, Sanheim, Myers and Ghost, but they won't be able to protect them all because they need to protect G and Hayes (NMCs) plus Couts, Konecny, Patrick, Voracek, JVR, etc. up front. Plus there are a number of UFAs we could go after too.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep 19, 2019 at 2:41
Thread: attention fellow jets fans
It's hard to speak for everyone but to answer your questions:

1) Yes I trust Chevy. He is steady and measured and outside of a few missteps in trying to address shortcomings of the team through UFA signings or poor trades he's done a good job.

2) Not only would I support that plan I beleive it is the prudent thing to do. Any sort of trade or signing for short term help is stupid. Buff was one of the main reasons for urgency the last few years. If he's gone we have Wheeler and Little, whose declines will be matched by improvements from Laine, Connor, Ehlers, Roslovic, Vesalainen.

3) Sad. I love what he brings so much. We're going to be pretty soft without him in the lineup.

4) Agree that taking this year as a step back to usher in the young D we have is the correct course of action. Would only burn down the city and fire Chevy if he made a terrible trade trying to address our RD problem with a short term solution. i.e. Trade for Pesce/Pulock = good. Trade for Faulk/Risto or an assortment of so so picks and prospects = bad.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep 17, 2019 at 10:50
Thread: Laine trade to CAR suggestion
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>So what the contract that Laine signs that makes this attractive for the Canes? Canes are close to the cap. Laine probably doesn't fit into Canes cap. Not sure the Canes even like the on ice value. Laine scored just 10 more goals an 13 points more than Svech last season. I know you trade for future results but still...is Laine THAT more valuable considering his the cap difference.</div></div>

You're right about Laine scoring only 13 more points than Svech last season but Laine was brutal for much of last year due to a back injury he played through. In both players rookie seasons Svech put up 37 points in 82 games and Laine put up 64 points in 73 games. Without the injury Laine probably puts up double the points that Svech did in their respective rookie seasons.

Laine's regression last year is concerning for sure, but the 2 players aren't really that comparable at this point. If Svech scores 90 goals over the next 2 seasons get back to me but probably getting to 30 goals in a season would be huge for Svech. Laine puts up 30 goals when he sucks.